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Offline Caroline

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2115 on: June 01, 2016, 08:01:PM »
No, your wrong again, because senior cops involved in the cover up at the scene did 'not want' a pathologist there, or a ballistic expert there, or any number of other parties there, because if they had turned up, bad apple cops would have had to cop for what they did. Instead of summoning all these experts, what did bad apple cops from Essex do, they brought in additional bad apple cops to perform ' in format ves, abusing bodies, staging the crime scene, of course good old Dickens on, he makes no mention whatsoever to these factors. Dickens on himself was either in on it himself, or he knew absolutely nothing about what had truly happened...

Who out of the cast of thousands - wasn't in on it? There was no reason to frame Jeremy Bamber - none at all.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2116 on: June 01, 2016, 08:06:PM »
Who out of the cast of thousands - wasn't in on it? There was no reason to frame Jeremy Bamber - none at all.


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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2117 on: June 01, 2016, 08:10:PM »
No, your wrong again, because senior cops involved in the cover up at the scene did 'not want' a pathologist there, or a ballistic expert there, or any number of other parties there, because if they had turned up, bad apple cops would have had to cop for what they did. Instead of summoning all these experts, what did bad apple cops from Essex do, they brought in additional bad apple cops to perform ' in format ves, abusing bodies, staging the crime scene, of course good old Dickens on, he makes no mention whatsoever to these factors. Dickens on himself was either in on it himself, or he knew absolutely nothing about what had truly happened...

They didn't want them there because the most senior officers and Dr Craig were happy to accept murder/suicide based on their analysis scene of crime.  These individuals had around 100 years experience between them and I've no doubt they will ultimately be proved right.

There was no cover up on 7th Aug other than perhaps officers interfering with scene of crime and moving Sheila whilst she was on the floor.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2118 on: June 01, 2016, 08:18:PM »
Who out of the cast of thousands - wasn't in on it? There was no reason to frame Jeremy Bamber - none at all.

Stop talking nonsense, your so predictable. Why is it that people like you always have to come up with lines like that. Each case is different, in cases where there has been only one bad apple cop, he sets out to use the others without their knowledge., so on and so forth. A lie by one in the fold, or one piece of fabricated evidence, here or there, introduced by one dodgy person, often involves a multitude of other cops, other experts, other witnesses, who go with the lie, or who promote the fabricated evidence. Stop trying to suggest that there was an ever increasing circle of conspirators as you would have us believe, all in on it from the moment they joined in. That's what people like you do, just like the CPS, nothing but fairy stories, that's all you can keep coming up with...

Sheila grabbed June by the throat and tried to throttle her. The evidence is there, and can be checked again and again, so why did Sheila try to strangle her mother? What story next will you come up with? Try sticking to the facts in the documents, and the photographic evidence, all of which Jeremy had no involvement in producing. ..
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2119 on: June 01, 2016, 08:20:PM »
They didn't want them there because the most senior officers and Dr Craig were happy to accept murder/suicide based on their analysis scene of crime.  These individuals had around 100 years experience between them and I've no doubt they will ultimately be proved right.

There was no cover up on 7th Aug other than perhaps officers interfering with scene of crime and moving Sheila whilst she was on the floor.

Off to watch Supervet.

When I said interfering with scene of crime I was meaning possibly moving the bible and bits in the kitchen.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2120 on: June 01, 2016, 08:22:PM »
Stop talking nonsense, your so predictable. Why is it that people like you always have to come up with lines like that. Each case is different, in cases where there has been only one bad apple cop, he sets out to use the others without their knowledge., so on and so forth. A lie by one in the fold, or one piece of fabricated evidence, here or there, introduced by one dodgy person, often involves a multitude of other cops, other experts, other witnesses, who go with the lie, or who promote the fabricated evidence. Stop trying to suggest that there was an ever increasing circle of conspirators as you would have us believe, all in on it from the moment they joined in. That's what people like you do, just like the CPS, nothing but fairy stories, that's all you can keep coming up with...

Sheila grabbed June by the throat and tried to throttle her. The evidence is there, and can be checked again and again, so why did Sheila try to strangle her mother? What story next will you come up with? Try sticking to the facts in the documents, and the photographic evidence, all of which Jeremy had no involvement in producing. ..


So which particular member of the cast told another member of the cast that Sheila had tried to strangle June but they had to keep it quiet because it had been decided to frame Jeremy?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2121 on: June 01, 2016, 08:32:PM »

So which particular member of the cast told another member of the cast that Sheila had tried to strangle June but they had to keep it quiet because it had been decided to frame Jeremy?

Look at the marks on the top part of Sheila's right hand, and the corresponding five linear marks on the front of June Bambers throat where the pathologist stated somebody had grabbed her there with a hand. Stop acting daft. If cops had asked the pathologist to attend he would have certainly picked up on the fact that the marks on the top part of Sheila's hand had been caused when she had grabbed her mother by the throat. A fact provable by the marks on Junes neck. If Sheila had done this, how could anybody say that Sheila wasn't capable of doing such a thing? Of course she was, because 'she did it'...

She did it alright, but I know she didn't kill herself and fall on the bedroom floor into the 'staged' position she was eventually photographed in...

You can believe what you like...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2122 on: June 01, 2016, 08:37:PM »
They're still hard to read Mike, if we could have a close-up.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2123 on: June 02, 2016, 07:41:AM »
yawn   ::)   always another expert :)  Sheila never throttled anyone.

Good luck with your career as a psychic/fortune teller...
« Last Edit: June 02, 2016, 07:42:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2124 on: June 02, 2016, 08:25:AM »
I have been reading a section of the material in my possession, and discovered some knew pieces of information that I had not come across before (because there are still loads of documents I never got around to reading, because Jeremy says I have got everything he has and he was going through it all). I found out the following:-

Sheila's natural mother (Jay)was visiting London at the time of the shootings, and went on a European tour until late September, 1985, without wanting to see Sheila her daughter). However, elsewhere I have read that on the night of the shootings, Sheila had spoken to her natural mother on the telephone. Elsewhere still there is mention by Sheila's friend 'Christine' that Sheila's natural mother visited Sheila at the farmhouse for a brief uninvited visit before any of the shootings started...

I have seen where during the 'COLP 1991 police investigation' they got confirmation that PC West 'did not' make a written record of the conversation he claims he had had with Jeremy - hence why we now find that 'somebody else' has fabricated the content of the 3.36am 'C1' form, relied upon during the trial. Also, that by 1991, Malcolm Bonnetts 'Communications log' had not yet surfaced...

Further...

That 'witness statements' were 'edited', 'undated', 'unsigned', made up by staff who worked for the DPP., and Essex police. The names of Three 'people' who were responsible for retyping the edited statements, and supervising this exercise, without the knowledge or consent of the witnesses themselves, is now known to me. The DPP sent the originals back to Essex police with brackets around parts of witness statements that needed to be edited out, and once these revised statements were received by Essex police, typists retyped them omitting the parts which the DPP wanted taking out, and the retyped witness statements were then duly sent back to the DPP for them to disclose the doctored versions of these witness statements to the defence. Essex police retained the original unedited statements (without disclosing them to the defence at all), and they retained the copies of all witness statements containing the bracketed sections which the DPP wanted taking out (again, without disclosing these to the defence). What happened was, according to a senior supervisory officer from Essex police, was that the final versions of the 'edited' witness statements which were sent to the DPP, ended up, undated, unsigned. The DPP giving instruction for this to be done, and the dates could be added later, and where necessary, signatures could be added later...

Let us all now take time out, to take stock and to bear in mind, the 'Citation' at the commencement of all witness statements:-

'WHO STATES;- THIS STATEMENT CONSISTING OF ( ) PAGES, EACH SIGNED BY ME, IS TRUE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF AND I MAKE IT KNOWING THAT IF IT IS TENDERED INTO EVIDENCE I SHALL BE LIABLE TO PROSECUTION IF I HAVE WILFULLY STATED IN IT ANYTHING WHICH I KNOW TO BE FALSE OR DO NOT BELIEVE TO BE TRUE'.


There is something 'drastically' wrong here, in the way these witness statements have been 'tampered with' by other people without the knowledge or the consent of the people in who's names they are being produced under. It's a 'Hillsboro' scenario all over again, with as few as three, or as many as four different versions of the same statements in existence, yet the DPP and Essex cops only disclosed one version to the defence. This practice has to be 'nipped in the bud', but no doubt it won't be. I myself only very recently had to tell a bent copper from Barnsley to 'get out of my house and don't come back', because the bent copper refused to write down the statement I wanted to give, the evil cop wanted to put into my statement what she thought it should say...

Bent coppers, bent cps, bent judiciary, they all play a role in the way the evidence gets handled, tampered with and introduced, nobody seems bothered that when bent people from within the system commit criminal offences of this nature, that they repeatedly get away with it, unpunished...

Things have got to change, it is not in the public interest, or in the interests of justice that the very people who are supposed to be seen to be upholding the law and all its virtues, are the very ones breaking all those same laws...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2125 on: June 02, 2016, 08:34:AM »
I have also come across, 'Ann Eatons' full trial transcript, including her evidence in chief, and cross examination...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2126 on: June 02, 2016, 08:40:AM »
I have been reading a section of the material in my possession, and discovered some knew pieces of information that I had not come across before (because there are still loads of documents I never got around to reading, because Jeremy says I have got everything he has and he was going through it all). I found out the following:-

Sheila's natural mother (Jay)was visiting London at the time of the shootings, and went on a European tour until late September, 1985, without wanting to see Sheila her daughter). However, elsewhere I have read that on the night of the shootings, Sheila had spoken to her natural mother on the telephone. Elsewhere still there is mention by Sheila's friend 'Christine' that Sheila's natural mother visited Sheila at the farmhouse for a brief uninvited visit before any of the shootings started...




Hm. It's not new information. You presented it months ago avec embellishments of how Christine had kidnapped her aged mother from a nursing home to take her on a late night and uninvited visit to WHF to see her great grandsons.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2127 on: June 02, 2016, 08:48:AM »
The gunshots were made in absolute anger. Why the significance of two being shot between the eyes ,one including a child ?  The hatred involved was absolute lunacy and had been an instant decision rather than a planned murder.
Remember,Sheila WASN'T the one who'd suggested foster care !! They were HER sons and she wanted them with HERSELF,nobody else.  An animal will bite back if you remove its young.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2128 on: June 02, 2016, 08:50:AM »
Additionally, I have come across fresh hand written information from the lab' relating to the 'hand swab' evidence (kit 75), and noted that for some reason, the ballistic expert proceeded on the basis that there had only been 7 rounds loaded in the first magazine of bullets to the gun (now that's interesting). The volunteers all loaded 18 additional bullets into the magazine of the rifle but did 'not fire the gun', whereas, in Sheila's case, the magazine may have already been filled with 10 rounds with no bullet in the breach, or with 10 rounds and another bullet already in the breach...

Of course, this makes a difference also not only because of the apparent disparity between the number of bullets loaded by volunteers, as opposed to how many rounds had been loaded by Sheila, but also because of the fact that Sheila had fired the gun, whereas, none of the volunteers did...

If there was only 7 rounds loaded into the magazine of the gun from the outset, only June Bamber had been shot 7 times, albeit in two episodes, first she received 5 shots, with a delay, then a further two shots. Sandwiched in between both of these episodes, Sheila had 'physically tried to throttle her mother', according to the marks on Junes throat, and the top part of Sheila's right hand...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2129 on: June 02, 2016, 08:56:AM »
The gunshots were made in absolute anger. Why the significance of two being shot between the eyes ,one including a child ?  The hatred involved was absolute lunacy and had been an instant decision rather than a planned murder.
Remember,Sheila WASN'T the one who'd suggested foster care !! They were HER sons and she wanted them with HERSELF,nobody else.  An animal will bite back if you remove its young.


But it wasn't a new thing in her life. Girls like her always have others to care for their children. It leaves them free to follow other pursuits.