What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

I have also for the very first time laid my hands on the following 'draft Report' of J. B. F. Lloyd, dated, 2nd July, 2002, as per 'FIREARMS CONTACT TRACES WITH REFERENCE TO SHEILA CAFFELL'...

Very Interesting content'...

[JackiePreece]

But it wasn't a new thing in her life. Girls like her always have others to care for their children. It leaves them free to follow other pursuits.

What do you mean by "Girls like her"?

I've recently forced myself to read Lees book.  Hate reading.  It seems the only people that looked after the twins outside family and friends were foster carers provided by social services and the odd babysitter.  Hardly
the sort of nanny the Waleses (not sure if that's how you spell it)have to look after George and Charlotte.

Sheila was taking on cleaning jobs to make ends meets.

I don't know what other pursuits Sheila followed?  I keep asking if she was into horses, riding but no one seems to know.

[lookout]

Does anyone know whether JB's " extended sentence " which was voiced by Douglas Herd,was carried out in a legal manner------as in through a court ?

 There is a law known as a " Slip Rule " in which a judge uses to give the courts the power to alter a sentence or order which is made within 56 days.

Was this ever implemented in this case ?

[David1819]

I have also for the very first time laid my hands on the following 'draft Report' of J. B. F. Lloyd, dated, 2nd July, 2002, as per 'FIREARMS CONTACT TRACES WITH REFERENCE TO SHEILA CAFFELL'...

Very Interesting content'...

Can you upload this please Mike? or is it allot of pages?

[Jane]

What do you mean by "Girls like her"?

I've recently forced myself to read Lees book.  Hate reading.  It seems the only people that looked after the twins outside family and friends were foster carers provided by social services and the odd babysitter.  Hardly
the sort of nanny the Waleses (not sure if that's how you spell it)have to look after George and Charlotte.

Sheila was taking on cleaning jobs to make ends meets.

I don't know what other pursuits Sheila followed?  I keep asking if she was into horses, riding but no one seems to know.

I mean girls of her class and social standing. They weren't high enough up the ladder to employ Norlands but there was always a motherly type in the village who'd bought up her own children and everyone else's OR a still at school youngster who adored children. I believe June had a series of French girls who au paired Sheila and Jeremy.

You're correct. There is much we don't know about Sheila's life, her tastes etc. A friend of mine had the hots for her but maintains that "she played with the big boys". Another friend came VERY close to calling off his wedding for her but came to the conclusion that she was "flakey." Neither of them were into riding horses.

[Jane]

Does anyone know whether JB's " extended sentence " which was voiced by Douglas Herd,was carried out in a legal manner------as in through a court ?

 There is a law known as a " Slip Rule " in which a judge uses to give the courts the power to alter a sentence or order which is made within 56 days.

Was this ever implemented in this case ?

The sentencing judge made it very clear, at the time, that it remained to be seen whether it would ever be considered safe to set Jeremy free. The 25 years was a minimum sentence.

[lookout]

The sentencing judge made it very clear, at the time, that it remained to be seen whether it would ever be considered safe to set Jeremy free. The 25 years was a minimum sentence.

But he didn't go on to say that " he'll die in prison " which was more or less what the MP instructed.?

[JackiePreece]

I mean girls of her class and social standing. They weren't high enough up the ladder to employ Norlands but there was always a motherly type in the village who'd bought up her own children and everyone else's OR a still at school youngster who adored children. I believe June had a series of French girls who au paired Sheila and Jeremy.

You're correct. There is much we don't know about Sheila's life, her tastes etc. A friend of mine had the hots for her but maintains that "she played with the big boys". Another friend came VERY close to calling off his wedding for her but came to the conclusion that she was "flakey." Neither of them were into riding horses.

I'm not sure about her class and social standing.  I doubt the Eccleston or Middleton sisters had to wait on men in seedy diners, partake in soft (?) porn modelling or clean for people to make ends meet. 

Lee tells of a woman in a job agency couldn't believe that someone like Sheila who was pretty and well spoken was looking for work as a cleaner. 

[Jane]

But he didn't go on to say that " he'll die in prison " which was more or less what the MP instructed.?

Dying in prison is entirely relative. It stands to reason that it will be so if life means life. He'd have died in prison, anyway, had we still had the death sentence.

[Jane]

I'm not sure about her class and social standing.  I doubt the Eccleston or Middleton sisters had to wait on men in seedy diners, partake in soft (?) porn modelling or clean for people to make ends meet. 

Lee tells of a woman in a job agency couldn't believe that someone like Sheila who was pretty and well spoken was looking for work as a cleaner.

I guess I was referring to the life she'd been raised to expect to have. As for jobs, what was she qualified to do? She was trained for nothing, partly, I think, because she didn't apply herself. Maybe she'd only been encouraged to believe she'd meet Mr Right who'd take care of her.

[mike tesko]

Can you upload this please Mike? or is it allot of pages?

Yes, I know you are particularly interested in this, and I have also come across loads of other hand written documents relating to the hand swab issue that I had not seen before, or known about. I will try to upload Lloyd's Report to this thread at around 4pm today...

[lookout]

Dying in prison is entirely relative. It stands to reason that it will be so if life means life. He'd have died in prison, anyway, had we still had the death sentence.

Like the Birmingham 6 ? You'd have believed the judge et al in that case too !
Yes---------a bit like Ruth Ellis. Hang first and ask later ! Where was the empathy in her case ?
Don't talk to me about empathy.

[maggie]

I'm not sure about her class and social standing.  I doubt the Eccleston or Middleton sisters had to wait on men in seedy diners, partake in soft (?) porn modelling or clean for people to make ends meet. 

Lee tells of a woman in a job agency couldn't believe that someone like Sheila who was pretty and well spoken was looking for work as a cleaner.

That is true but being pretty or well spoken doesn't automatically protect you from poverty, maybe the woman in the job agency didn't appreciate this Jackie?

Sheila certainly didn't seem to manage what money she had very well, or maybe she did spend too much of it on drugs, we have no real way of knowing. 

I wonder about the so called 'food parcels' said to have been delivered by June.  Did she deliver food rather than send money because it was a way of her being sure they ate whereas money may be spent on other things, or was it June's way of controlling them?

[Jane]

Like the Birmingham 6 ? You'd have believed the judge et al in that case too !
Yes---------a bit like Ruth Ellis. Hang first and ask later ! Where was the empathy in her case ?
Don't talk to me about empathy.

And don't talk to me about forgiveness when you believe in the death penalty. I can usually understand the reasons behind a crime but it doesn't mean I think the perpetrator should get off Scot free.

[lookout]

And don't talk to me about forgiveness when you believe in the death penalty.

I'm not asking you to.