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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2100 on: June 01, 2016, 02:09:PM »
Why didn't any cop question why there is no mention of a fourth body upstairs in any of the disclosed police logs?

Sheila's body appeared upstairs, as if by magic, to become the fourth body upstairs (after 8.10am)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2101 on: June 01, 2016, 02:16:PM »
No, the police logs place a female in the kitchen from 7.37am, onward. That female could only have been a reference to Sheila, because nobody could hope to describe June Bambers death as a suicide...


But subsequently admitted to being in error? If those earlier logs were indeed FACT they would NEVER have seen the light of day. Wherever you believe you are with this, I'm confident that ALL the agencies you vilify, IF they're concerned by anything you say, will be several steps ahead of you, as they'll consider their own survival to be of greater import than the survival of an individual.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2102 on: June 01, 2016, 03:44:PM »
Had Sheila been shot by Police in error they could have made up a tale that their life had been threatened in some way and her shooting had been necessary in self-defence. Of course nobody has come forward amongst that coterie you ascribe her death to in thirty years. The boss DCI Taff Jones was perfectly happy with the scenario of Sheila being the culprit so I am intrigued as to why it became necessary to apportion blame to Jeremy by DS Jones and others.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2103 on: June 01, 2016, 04:02:PM »
Had Sheila been shot by Police in error they could have made up a tale that their life had been threatened in some way and her shooting had been necessary in self-defence. Of course nobody has come forward amongst that coterie you ascribe her death to in thirty years. The boss DCI Taff Jones was perfectly happy with the scenario of Sheila being the culprit so I am intrigued as to why it became necessary to apportion blame to Jeremy by DS Jones and others.

Steve, I'm also very surprised, that if all those agencies which Mike insists are marking him, REALLY see him as a threat, they'd have arranged for more than little accidents to befall him, they'd have done more than prevent him from posting on a public forum, they'd have done more than nick a lap top(?)............. rather than allow him to play any part in freeing someone responsible for killing 5 members of his family, they'd have silenced him for good. We must therefore be thankful that he isn't high on their "For Elimination" list.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2104 on: June 01, 2016, 07:14:PM »

But subsequently admitted to being in error? If those earlier logs were indeed FACT they would NEVER have seen the light of day. Wherever you believe you are with this, I'm confident that ALL the agencies you vilify, IF they're concerned by anything you say, will be several steps ahead of you, as they'll consider their own survival to be of greater import than the survival of an individual.

Cops don't make such glaring 'errors' as you pretend to call them, they make 'blunders' by 'recording things', either in 'document form', or 'photographically', or in 'message logs', all of which they wished they hadn't recorded the truth at these sources. They didn't make 'an error' in confirming that a female body was downstairs in the kitchen, when there wasn't one there at all. Your having a laugh trying to pretend that something so serious can be put down as a cop error. They can't even get the explanation they came up with to account for the suggestion that there had been some sort of a mistake, by claiming that Dads body had been mistaken for the daughters body, a so called error that was not supposedly cleared up until cops set foot into the kitchen. they claim it hadn't been a female body after all, only a male one, dad in fact. Ha, ha, ha, you expect us to believe such a tale, when according to that explanation, the female was mentioned before cops entered and discovered dad in the kitchen. So, why then did cops mention the body of a 'dead female' on two separate occasions after dads body had already been mentioned in the same sentences? Do you think we are all thick? If Dads body had been mistaken for the daughters body before cops even set foot inside the kitchen, then once cops got in the kitchen they would know it hadn't been the body of a female after all, and they would pass a message, that the body of dad had been found upon entry. They would not add to this, after they mention having found the body of one dead male, add, and the body of one dead female. The key word in that message (7.37am) being the word 'AND' followed by ' THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE'. No mystery there then, nothing could be any clearer. The claim that dads body was mistaken for the daughters body before cops even set foot inside the farmhouse, does not add up with bad apple cops later claiming they made an 'error' regarding 'that' first sighting of a body through the kitchen window, being a female, it had been dads body after all. I have no problem with that, but that mistake even if it had occurred in relation to dads body having been mistakenly identified as the daughters body, would have been cleared up as soon as cops entered the kitchen. So, they report the discovery of 'The body of one dead male' (mystery finished with), but they go on to say, 'AND', 'THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE'. Now the reference to this 'female' body being in the kitchen, follows on after sexuality of the body seen through the kitchen window has been rectified. If dads body turned out to be his body, when it was first reported that his body had been a female, a mistake rectified once cops entered the kitchen, then there is no need to make any mention of another female body being there in the kitchen, as well. The wording is absolutely clear, (7.37am) 'The body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found on entry'. That's two bodies, not one body that had been mistaken for two different ones, but one of the two bodies found in the kitchen having been mistakenly identified as a female body, which in fact turned out to be dads body, and a second (female) body which cops did not see from the vantage point of the kitchen window, but which they were confronted with upon entering the kitchen...

Which part don't you understand?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2105 on: June 01, 2016, 07:15:PM »
Had Sheila been shot by Police in error they could have made up a tale that their life had been threatened in some way and her shooting had been necessary in self-defence. Of course nobody has come forward amongst that coterie you ascribe her death to in thirty years. The boss DCI Taff Jones was perfectly happy with the scenario of Sheila being the culprit so I am intrigued as to why it became necessary to apportion blame to Jeremy by DS Jones and others.

There would be no reason other than they realised they had it wrong. Police don't like to admit to mistakes and they took a great deal of criticism when they changed from Sheila to Jeremy. They changed because they realised Jeremy was the culprit and they couldn't let him off the hook.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2106 on: June 01, 2016, 07:28:PM »
Cops don't make such glaring 'errors' as you pretend to call them, they make 'blunders' by 'recording things', either in 'document form', or 'photographically', or in 'message logs', all of which they wished they hadn't recorded the truth at these sources. They didn't make 'an error' in confirming that a female body was downstairs in the kitchen, when there wasn't one there at all. Your having a laugh trying to pretend that something so serious can be put down as a cop error. They can't even get the explanation they came up with to account for the suggestion that there had been some sort of a mistake, by claiming that Dads body had been mistaken for the daughters body, a so called error that was not supposedly cleared up until cops set foot into the kitchen. they claim it hadn't been a female body after all, only a male one, dad in fact. Ha, ha, ha, you expect us to believe such a tale, when according to that explanation, the female was mentioned before cops entered and discovered dad in the kitchen. So, why then did cops mention the body of a 'dead female' on two separate occasions after dads body had already been mentioned in the same sentences? Do you think we are all thick? If Dads body had been mistaken for the daughters body before cops even set foot inside the kitchen, then once cops got in the kitchen they would know it hadn't been the body of a female after all, and they would pass a message, that the body of dad had been found upon entry. They would not add to this, after they mention having found the body of one dead male, add, and the body of one dead female. The key word in that message (7.37am) being the word 'AND' followed by ' THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE'. No mystery there then, nothing could be any clearer. The claim that dads body was mistaken for the daughters body before cops even set foot inside the farmhouse, does not add up with bad apple cops later claiming they made an 'error' regarding 'that' first sighting of a body through the kitchen window, being a female, it had been dads body after all. I have no problem with that, but that mistake even if it had occurred in relation to dads body having been mistakenly identified as the daughters body, would have been cleared up as soon as cops entered the kitchen. So, they report the discovery of 'The body of one dead male' (mystery finished with), but they go on to say, 'AND', 'THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE'. Now the reference to this 'female' body being in the kitchen, follows on after sexuality of the body seen through the kitchen window has been rectified. If dads body turned out to be his body, when it was first reported that his body had been a female, a mistake rectified once cops entered the kitchen, then there is no need to make any mention of another female body being there in the kitchen, as well. The wording is absolutely clear, (7.37am) 'The body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found on entry'. That's two bodies, not one body that had been mistaken for two different ones, but one of the two bodies found in the kitchen having been mistakenly identified as a female body, which in fact turned out to be dads body, and a second (female) body which cops did not see from the vantage point of the kitchen window, but which they were confronted with upon entering the kitchen...

Which part don't you understand?


There would be no reason other than they realised they had it wrong. Police don't like to admit to mistakes and they took a great deal of criticism when they changed from Sheila to Jeremy. They changed because they realised Jeremy was the culprit and they couldn't let him off the hook.


I "understand" every part of what you say, but I don't believe it to be true in any way. Caroline's post says it very well.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2107 on: June 01, 2016, 07:44:PM »
There would be no reason other than they realised they had it wrong. Police don't like to admit to mistakes and they took a great deal of criticism when they changed from Sheila to Jeremy. They changed because they realised Jeremy was the culprit and they couldn't let him off the hook.

The Dickinson report makes it clear the major failing was that senior offices did not request a pathologist, biologist and ballistics expert at scene of crime.  In the absence of these vital witnesses the relatives were able to fill the vacuum and the police were open to persuasion.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2108 on: June 01, 2016, 07:49:PM »
There would be no reason other than they realised they had it wrong. Police don't like to admit to mistakes and they took a great deal of criticism when they changed from Sheila to Jeremy. They changed because they realised Jeremy was the culprit and they couldn't let him off the hook.

You are wrong, cops would not have declared, 'the body of one dead male, AND the body of one dead female' at 7.37am, followed by a further confirmation a minute later (7.38am), 'One dead male, one dead female', and if it had been a mistake, they would almost certainly have passed a message saying that a fourth body had been found upstairs, but they never did. There are too many details involving timed events, bodies downstairs, bodies upstairs, all stacking up to a total of five by 8.10am, job done...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2109 on: June 01, 2016, 07:51:PM »
We all now know that Sheila had tried to 'throttle her mother, and it will soon be confirmed by experts...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2110 on: June 01, 2016, 07:52:PM »
The Dickinson report makes it clear the major failing was that senior offices did not request a pathologist, biologist and ballistics expert at scene of crime.  In the absence of these vital witnesses the relatives were able to fill the vacuum and the police were open to persuasion.

You're right, because if they had, they would have realised that Sheila wasn't the killer a LOT sooner.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2111 on: June 01, 2016, 07:53:PM »
We all now know that Sheila had tried to 'throttle her mother, and it will soon be confirmed by experts...

An innocent man has been 'framed' for a crime he could not possibly have committed - cops got the right culprit first time around for the deaths of the other four...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2112 on: June 01, 2016, 07:55:PM »
We all now know that Sheila had tried to 'throttle her mother, and it will soon be confirmed by experts...

No we don't.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2113 on: June 01, 2016, 07:58:PM »
You're right, because if they had, they would have realised that Sheila wasn't the killer a LOT sooner.

How do you know that? 

 
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2114 on: June 01, 2016, 07:58:PM »
You're right, because if they had, they would have realised that Sheila wasn't the killer a LOT sooner.

No, your wrong again, because senior cops involved in the cover up at the scene did 'not want' a pathologist there, or a ballistic expert there, or any number of other parties there, because if they had turned up, bad apple cops would have had to cop for what they did. Instead of summoning all these experts, what did bad apple cops from Essex do, they brought in additional bad apple cops to perform ' familiars' ( informatives), abusing bodies, staging the crime scene, of course good old Dickenson, he makes no mention whatsoever to any of these factors. Dickenson himself was either in on it himself, or he knew absolutely nothing about what had truly happened...
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