What makes Bamber innocent?

[lookout]

The " suicidal " shot was the one that went upwards,as most suicides using a gun are aimed up.

The first shot,in my belief,had been fired by someone else because of the angle as it hit a bone.

[sami]

The " suicidal " shot was the one that went upwards,as most suicides using a gun are aimed up.

The first shot,in my belief,had been fired by someone else because of the angle as it hit a bone.

i totally agree with you on this one lookout

[sami]

there is a scenario where nb was on the phone making the call to jb when he heard the shots upstairs and ran up to investigate got shot but managed to get to the kitchen and collapsed or lost consisness and sc finished him off. theres a lot of theories .only jb knows for sure.iam sure alot of holes can be put in the scenario above

[David1819]

david 1 shot into sheila was fired from from the right hand side of sheila as you see her laying in the diagram and from several feet away the trajectory and path the bullet took show that.the other one may have been from directly in front of her

Unfortunatly we cannot conclude anything from the locations of shell casing in this respect. I have posted the relevant parts of a study below.

The authors of this research project intended to determine the level of precision that can
be reached and the significance that should be given to a spent cartridge case location alone as a
method of determining shooter location when unknown variables include how the firearm is held
and/or manipulated. Shooter location is often used in the process of homicide reconstruction and
other shooting-related cases, the results of which typically are submitted to the justice system
during the course of criminal or civil cases. Therefore, it is imperative to obtain the most
accurate shooter location that can be determined from the evidence. Until recently, the impact of
human factors, such as stance, firearm motion, firearm position and grip have not been given
proper analytical consideration when attempting to determine the shooter’s location from the
final resting location of a spent cartridge case.


The results of this study demonstrated how unpredictable spent cartridge casing ejection
patterns are even when many variables are controlled. A total number of 7,670 bullets were fired
from eight different firearms in the course of this study.

Conclusion
As this study has shown, factors previously listed including firearm design, firearm
condition, ammunition type, position firearm is held when fired, movement of the firearm and
person during firing, and grip factors such as how, where and how tightly the firearm is held
during firing can affect the locations of spent cartridge casings (Hueske, 2006). This study
illustrated that even when accounting for the above factors, significant variability occurred in the
landing locations of spent cartridge casings. This variability must be considered before efforts
are made to establish the location of a shooter based solely on the location of even an
undisturbed spent cartridge casing or a group of cartridge casings

[sami]

Unfortunatly we cannot conclude anything from the locations of shell casing in this respect. I have posted the relevant parts of a study below.

The authors of this research project intended to determine the level of precision that can
be reached and the significance that should be given to a spent cartridge case location alone as a
method of determining shooter location when unknown variables include how the firearm is held
and/or manipulated. Shooter location is often used in the process of homicide reconstruction and
other shooting-related cases, the results of which typically are submitted to the justice system
during the course of criminal or civil cases. Therefore, it is imperative to obtain the most
accurate shooter location that can be determined from the evidence. Until recently, the impact of
human factors, such as stance, firearm motion, firearm position and grip have not been given
proper analytical consideration when attempting to determine the shooter’s location from the
final resting location of a spent cartridge case.


The results of this study demonstrated how unpredictable spent cartridge casing ejection
patterns are even when many variables are controlled. A total number of 7,670 bullets were fired
from eight different firearms in the course of this study.

Conclusion
As this study has shown, factors previously listed including firearm design, firearm
condition, ammunition type, position firearm is held when fired, movement of the firearm and
person during firing, and grip factors such as how, where and how tightly the firearm is held
during firing can affect the locations of spent cartridge casings (Hueske, 2006). This study
illustrated that even when accounting for the above factors, significant variability occurred in the
landing locations of spent cartridge casings. This variability must be considered before efforts
are made to establish the location of a shooter based solely on the location of even an
undisturbed spent cartridge casing or a group of cartridge casings

oh but we can david for the bullet case to fall where it did  .it must have been fired feet away and from the right of sheila and nowhere else.your study above were they using the same rifle if not ,than its not worth anything

[mike tesko]

oh but we can david for the bullet case to fall where it did  .it must have been fired feet away and from the right of sheila and nowhere else.your study above were they using the same rifle if not ,than its not worth anything

Hang on a moment, PI 'Bob' Miller, directed that DC Hammersley should replaced exhibits DRH/49, DRH/50, DRH/51. and DRH/52, with exhibits, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4...

So, were four spent cartridge cases (DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4) introduced into the main bedroom scenario, with the view of making up the numbers?

[David1819]

oh but we can david for the bullet case to fall where it did  .it must have been fired feet away and from the right of sheila and nowhere else.your study above were they using the same rifle if not ,than its not worth anything

The Investigative Sciences Journal and Science Institute and Minnesota State University claims otherwise

[mike tesko]

Lets just get the facts right about the serial number of the 'strip of 10 negatives' which 'included' photograph No.23,which shows the anshuzt rifle resting near the bedroom window, as per the following view:-

Negative Strip bearing the serial No. 0012 (consisting of 10 images, including photograph N0. 23)...

[sami]

The Investigative Sciences Journal and Science Institute and Minnesota State University claims otherwise

and what rifle were they using

[lookout]

Mike,isn't that the landing window which is the one between bedrooms ?
I've got a real problem with these damn windows because when you see the bedroom window,it's definitely different to this one.

If you see the bedroom window,there's no clutter in front of it either.

[mike tesko]

During the trial, both PC Bird, and DI 'Ron' Cook, deceived the court which tried Jeremy Bamber for these murders, by declaring that crime scene photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, were taken 'prior to' crime scene photograph No. 23, but ladies and gentlemen, they both told a deliberate dishonest lie, since had they told the truth Jeremy Bamber could not possibly have been convicted of shooting dead his sister, and staging her death scene on the floor in the main bedroom with the rifle from the bedroom window, placed into Sheila's possession, with the specific purpose of fooling anybody and everybody into thinking that Sheila had taken her own life with use of 'that' rifle...

I can confirm to you all now, that photograph No.23 was taken before photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32 - thus establishing that cops photographed the anshuzt rifle resting against the bedroom window, before cops had then photographed the same anshuzt rifle upon Sheila Caffells body and in her possession...

Cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene, and have 'shot themselves in the foot' because of the deliberate lies cops fed to the court at Chelmsfore in October 1985, and since...

I am highly delighted to be the person who has 'exposed' the cop conspiracy in this case...

I am, therefore, a self confessed 'genius'...

[sami]

Mike,isn't that the landing window which is the one between bedrooms ?
I've got a real problem with these damn windows because when you see the bedroom window,it's definitely different to this one.

If you see the bedroom window,there's no clutter in front of it either.

thats a good point

[sami]

During the trial, both PC Bird, and DI 'Ron' Cook, deceived the court which tried Jeremy Bamber for these murders, by declaring that crime scene photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, were taken 'prior to' crime scene photograph No. 23, but ladies and gentlemen, they both told a deliberate dishonest lie, since had they told the truth Jeremy Bamber could not possibly have been convicted of shooting dead his sister, and staging her death scene on the floor in the main bedroom with the rifle from the bedroom window, placed into Sheila's possession, with the specific purpose of fooling anybody and everybody into thinking that Sheila had taken her own life with use of 'that' rifle...

I can confirm to you all now, that photograph No.23 was taken before photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32 - thus establishing that cops photographed the anshuzt rifle resting against the bedroom window, before cops had then photographed the same anshuzt rifle upon Sheila Caffells body and in her possession...

Cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene, and have 'shot themselves in the foot' because of the deliberate lies cops fed to the court at Chelmsfore in October 1985, and since...

I am highly delighted to be the person who has 'exposed' the cop conspiracy in this case...

I am, therefore, a self confessed 'genius'...

well done mike, did they also shoot sheila's accomplice the one that was at the window

[mike tesko]

During the trial, both PC Bird, and DI 'Ron' Cook, deceived the court which tried Jeremy Bamber for these murders, by declaring that crime scene photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, were taken 'prior to' crime scene photograph No. 23, but ladies and gentlemen, they both told a deliberate dishonest lie, since had they told the truth Jeremy Bamber could not possibly have been convicted of shooting dead his sister, and staging her death scene on the floor in the main bedroom with the rifle from the bedroom window, placed into Sheila's possession, with the specific purpose of fooling anybody and everybody into thinking that Sheila had taken her own life with use of 'that' rifle...

I can confirm to you all now, that photograph No.23 was taken before photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32 - thus establishing that cops photographed the anshuzt rifle resting against the bedroom window, before cops had then photographed the same anshuzt rifle upon Sheila Caffells body and in her possession...

Cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene, and have 'shot themselves in the foot' because of the deliberate lies cops fed to the court at Chelmsfore in October 1985, and since...

I am highly delighted to be the person who has 'exposed' the cop conspiracy in this case...

I am, therefore, a self confessed 'genius'...

It gives me great satisfaction to say that crime scene photographs (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32) were taken with the 'strip of negatives' bearing the serial No. 0034...

[mike tesko]

I have 'pinpointed' the evidence, which finally confirms the beliefs I have harboured for over two decades, that 'Cops placed the anshuzt rifle onto Sheila's body in the main bedroom', not Jeremy Bamber...

At long last, after all this time, we can all rest assured that Jeremy had 'not' killed his sister, and 'stage managed' her body by planting the rifle in her possession to make cops think Sheila had taken her own life. The truth is, that 'Cops staged Sheila's death', to enable 'them' to present her death as a suicide, when in fact, it was 'not'...

I can now 'prove' categorically that PC 'David' Bird (SOCO), and DI 'Ron' Cook (SOCO) deceived the court which tried Bamber for these murders, in particular, the murder of his sister, and the lie relied upon that 'he' had 'placed the rifle onto Sheila's body', to give the impression that she had shot herself with use of 'that' rifle, when if the truth be known, he could not possibly have been involved in that process, at all...