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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #720 on: May 12, 2016, 08:42:AM »

The key word, of course, being "possibly" and we're all fully aware of how reliable a witness BW turned out to be.

It's evidence, its contained in a witness statement. If a witness tells deliberate lies in such a witness statement, they 'might be liable to prosecution', if the statement in question is relied upon in court, if they have wilfully stated anything which they know not to be true...

Why would 'she make something up' like that?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #721 on: May 12, 2016, 08:44:AM »

Yes, I expect June would see as being rather odd Sheila's lack of energy and lack of interest in all things, including her own children. It would have put much more work onto June.

And so, this adequately fits in with what J said regarding other members of his family having heated words (at the time he left the farmhouse) over S's inability to be able to look after her two little boys, all by herself...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #722 on: May 12, 2016, 08:48:AM »
At least, I am satisfied with what J has said. There was an distinct attitude sensed during 'Jean Boutells' 9.30pm call to dad, that evening, and in 'Pamela Boutflours' call to her sister 'June' half an hour or so, later...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #723 on: May 12, 2016, 08:50:AM »
It's evidence, its contained in a witness statement. If a witness tells deliberate lies in such a witness statement, they 'might be liable to prosecution', if the statement in question is relied upon in court, if they have wilfully stated anything which they know not to be true...

Why would 'she make something up' like that?


MIKE!!!!! Are you suggesting people DON'T tell deliberate lies on the witness stand? Of course, it can be argued that it was just the truth as they believed it to be.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #724 on: May 12, 2016, 08:52:AM »
And so, this adequately fits in with what J said regarding other members of his family having heated words (at the time he left the farmhouse) over S's inability to be able to look after her two little boys, all by herself...


Well, it certainly formed part of the story he wanted to present.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #725 on: May 12, 2016, 08:52:AM »
At least, I am satisfied with what J has said. There was an distinct attitude sensed during 'Jean Boutells' 9.30pm call to dad, that evening, and in 'Pamela Boutflours' call to her sister 'June' half an hour or so, later...

And let me take the opportunity to clear other things up whilst I am in the mood...

Sheila did have a social worker, and child minders, all the information is in the file in my possession. Social services had been involved with Sheila, and her two boys previously...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #726 on: May 12, 2016, 08:53:AM »

Well, it certainly formed part of the story he wanted to present.

It wasn't 'a story', it was 'factual'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #727 on: May 12, 2016, 09:00:AM »
Then of course, there is the matter of June Bambers nightdress (ND/5)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #728 on: May 12, 2016, 09:06:AM »
And let me take the opportunity to clear other things up whilst I am in the mood...

Sheila did have a social worker, and child minders, all the information is in the file in my possession. Social services had been involved with Sheila, and her two boys previously...


Who ever said she didn't? That's hardly new information and it's certainly not been a secret.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #729 on: May 12, 2016, 09:07:AM »
It wasn't 'a story', it was 'factual'...


But it can't be proved, can it?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #730 on: May 12, 2016, 09:17:AM »
Then of course, there is the matter of June Bambers nightdress (ND/5)...

By reference to a submission of articles form, sent from Essex police to Huntingdon Lab' on the 30th September, 1985, Lab' item No. 111, ND/6 was a nightdress, taken from the body of June Bamber at 1145 hours on the 8th August, 1985, by DS Davidson at Chelmsford Hospital Mortuary, with instructions to 'examine the nightdress for bullets holes'...

However, in a witness statement made by DS Davidson, dated the 24th October, 1985, and DS Davidson, describes exhibit ND/6 as being 'the head, hands and feet bags, taken from June Bamber'. Elsewhere, documents exist that the nightdress being worn by June Bamber, had been sent along to the lab' to be examined, contained in the aforementioned heavily bloodstained bags, which was 'rejected by the lab' at 'that' stage, and returned to Essex police. Now this is very interesting, since it appears to show support that police officers abused the bodies of victims at the scene, undressing them, or arranging their positions in a provocative manner, as touched upon by J himself, who has accused the police of abusing the bodies of his family and using them as props in a stage production...

The 'head, hands and feet bags were placed upon June Bambers body at the scene, on the 7th August, 1985. So how did her nightdress end up inside these, later?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #731 on: May 12, 2016, 09:25:AM »
By reference to a submission of articles form, sent from Essex police to Huntingdon Lab' on the 30th September, 1985, Lab' item No. 111, ND/6 was a nightdress, taken from the body of June Bamber at 1145 hours on the 8th August, 1985, by DS Davidson at Chelmsford Hospital Mortuary, with instructions to 'examine the nightdress for bullets holes'...

However, in a witness statement made by DS Davidson, dated the 24th October, 1985, and DS Davidson, describes exhibit ND/6 as being 'the head, hands and feet bags, taken from June Bamber'. Elsewhere, documents exist that the nightdress being worn by June Bamber, had been sent along to the lab' to be examined, contained in the aforementioned heavily bloodstained bags, which was 'rejected by the lab' at 'that' stage, and returned to Essex police. Now this is very interesting, since it appears to show support that police officers abused the bodies of victims at the scene, undressing them, or arranging their positions in a provocative manner, as touched upon by J himself, who has accused the police of abusing the bodies of his family and using them as props in a stage production...

The 'head, hands and feet bags were placed upon June Bambers body at the scene, on the 7th August, 1985. So how did her nightdress end up inside these, later?


Well, he would (suggest such), wouldn't he?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #732 on: May 12, 2016, 09:44:AM »

Well, he would (suggest such), wouldn't he?

The evidential value of June Bambers nightdress (ND/5) ending up inside the body bags (ND/6) was ruined by cops...
« Last Edit: May 12, 2016, 10:14:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #733 on: May 12, 2016, 10:36:AM »
How had June Bambers blue nightdress (ND/5) managed to get inside the body bags (ND/6)?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #734 on: May 12, 2016, 10:58:AM »
There's another thing that I want to clear up, and that is, no matter what J is saying now, at the time the news was broken to him that all his family were dead at the scene, and later on, he believed in his own mind that cops had kept things back from him, and he genuinely believed in his own mind that cops had shot dead members of his family...
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