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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #705 on: May 11, 2016, 04:24:PM »
It is very significant and telling, that the 'time' members of the raid team discovered each of the bodies of the five  victims is 'ommitted from all of the witness statements made by raid team firearm officers. Yet, in DR Craig's witness statement he refers to the 'time' of 8.44am, when he pronounced S as being certified 'dead'. Her body being described as being, 'on the far side of the bed', upstairs in the main bedroom, sporting a single bullet wound in the throat by 'that' stage...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #706 on: May 11, 2016, 04:29:PM »
It is very significant and telling, that the 'time' members of the raid team discovered each of the bodies of the five  victims is 'ommitted from all of the witness statements made by raid team firearm officers. Yet, in DR Craig's witness statement he refers to the 'time' of 8.44am, when he pronounced S as being certified 'dead'. Her body being described as being, 'on the far side of the bed', upstairs in the main bedroom, sporting a single bullet wound in the throat by 'that' stage...

No-one provides any information, about 'how' S's body, ended up on the 'far side of the bed' upstairs in the main bedroom, by 8.44am, from its reported earlier location downstairs in the kitchen at 7.37am, and 7.38am...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #707 on: May 11, 2016, 04:34:PM »
Confirmation, that a request for 'the police surgeon' to attend the scene (whf) in a radio message, 'timed' at 7.42am,  in relation to the 'discovery' of only two of the five bodies, 'exists. These being the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, as per the entries at 7.37am, and 7.38am, ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.37am), ' one dead male, one dead female (7.38am)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #708 on: May 11, 2016, 04:40:PM »
Within 3 minutes of (7.42am) the police surgeon being summoned to attend the scene at whf relating to 'two bodies', a female employee working in the control room, named, 'Linda' was contacting DS Davidson at his home address by telephone, requesting him to 'come into the office ASAP because cops were dealing with a situation at whf involving, 'a murder', and ' a suicide'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #709 on: May 11, 2016, 04:43:PM »
Confirmation, that a request for 'the police surgeon' to attend the scene (whf) in a radio message, 'timed' at 7.42am,  in relation to the 'discovery' of only two of the five bodies, 'exists. These being the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, as per the entries at 7.37am, and 7.38am, ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.37am), ' one dead male, one dead female (7.38am)...

By this stage, cops inside the farmhouse had not yet ventured upstairs to find the 'other' three bodies (June Bamber, and her two grandchildren)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #710 on: May 11, 2016, 04:43:PM »
Within 3 minutes of (7.42am) the police surgeon being summoned to attend the scene at whf relating to 'two bodies', a female employee working in the control room, named, 'Linda' was contacting DS Davidson at his home address by telephone, requesting him to 'come into the office ASAP because cops were dealing with a situation at whf involving, 'a murder', and ' a suicide'...

By this stage, cops inside the farmhouse had not yet ventured upstairs to find the 'other' three bodies (June Bamber, and her two grandchildren)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #711 on: May 11, 2016, 10:18:PM »
I am just about to start checking to find the witness list for those who testified during the October 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #712 on: May 12, 2016, 12:09:AM »
I am just about to start checking to find the witness list for those who testified during the October 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial...

Good luck with that, you'll need it.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #713 on: May 12, 2016, 08:22:AM »
Good luck with that, you'll need it.

Well, because of your attempt to force me to post the list up, trying to think you can decide when I post up the full listings, I am now not going to be posting that information, 'until I am ready'. You don't control what I do, or what I say...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #714 on: May 12, 2016, 08:24:AM »
By the way, I have already found that information, so that's put you back in your red hole...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #715 on: May 12, 2016, 08:25:AM »
What I am prepared to do, in the meantime, is post up an extract from'Barbara Wilsons', witness statement, dated, 16th December, 1985. With particular reference to her sensing that when she telephoned 'dad' at 9.30pm, on the evening before trhe shootings, she thought that she might have called at the time of 'some sort of argument going on'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #716 on: May 12, 2016, 08:31:AM »
So, here is 'independent evidence', that things were possibly 'not right' with the family back at whf, after J had left to go home...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #717 on: May 12, 2016, 08:37:AM »
So, here is 'independent evidence', that things were possibly 'not right' with the family back at whf, after J had left to go home...

This account given by Barbara Wilson, corroborates J's account that the family were arguing in the kitchen before he left to go home. J described this as a 'heated argument' over S's ability to 'look after her own children properly'...

This is very interesting, since half an hour later, at about 10 O'clock Pamela Boutflour speaks to June Bamber on the phone, and June tells Pamela (her sister) that she, along with Sheila and her boys were coming round for tea on the following day, and that June wanted to speak to Pam' about Sheila, because June told Pamela that Sheila was behaving very 'oddly' at the moment, and that she wanted to have a word with her sister about her...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #718 on: May 12, 2016, 08:39:AM »
So, here is 'independent evidence', that things were possibly 'not right' with the family back at whf, after J had left to go home...


The key word, of course, being "possibly" and we're all fully aware of how reliable a witness BW turned out to be.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #719 on: May 12, 2016, 08:42:AM »
This account given by Barbara Wilson, corroborates J's account that the family were arguing in the kitchen before he left to go home. J described this as a 'heated argument' over S's ability to 'look after her own children properly'...

This is very interesting, since half an hour later, at about 10 O'clock Pamela Boutflour speaks to June Bamber on the phone, and June tells Pamela (her sister) that she, along with Sheila and her boys were coming round for tea on the following day, and that June wanted to speak to Pam' about Sheila, because June told Pamela that Sheila was behaving very 'oddly' at the moment, and that she wanted to have a word with her sister about her...


Yes, I expect June would see as being rather odd Sheila's lack of energy and lack of interest in all things, including her own children. It would have put much more work onto June.