Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case

[lookout]

Yet you deny this motive for Bamber 

This thread ISN'T about Bamber !! It has no bearing on the case.

[lookout]

Links - as in, search online for the story, follow the various links the search throws up - I wasn't referring to links exclusively on this forum - apologies if my terminology was confusing.

So, since I haven't been able to find the information, does anyone here know how the case came to the attention of the police, and why a decision was made to pursue the matter, given that no complaint had been made?

Probably another case of scorn. ?

[sandra L]

Scorn as in "woman scorned?" From what I've read, the woman herself didn't make a complaint - did someone else do it on her behalf?

I'm just surprised that there doesn't seem to be anything, anywhere that explains how the police came to be aware of this. I wouldn't imagine there are police units set up to monitor sports stars entering hotel rooms with members of the opposite sex? Since the woman herself says she can remember nothing, how did this come to be a rape case? Forgive me, I mean no offence, but if the case rests on DNA showing that sex took place, and the case is that the woman was in no fit state to consent, how were those DNA samples obtained, by whom, and why? Because, if she didn't make a complaint, what possible reason would there be to have her submit to forensic examination?

I can't get my head around this at all.

[Neil]

Scorn as in "woman scorned?" From what I've read, the woman herself didn't make a complaint - did someone else do it on her behalf?

I'm just surprised that there doesn't seem to be anything, anywhere that explains how the police came to be aware of this. I wouldn't imagine there are police units set up to monitor sports stars entering hotel rooms with members of the opposite sex? Since the woman herself says she can remember nothing, how did this come to be a rape case? Forgive me, I mean no offence, but if the case rests on DNA showing that sex took place, and the case is that the woman was in no fit state to consent, how were those DNA samples obtained, by whom, and why? Because, if she didn't make a complaint, what possible reason would there be to have her submit to forensic examination?

I can't get my head around this at all.

Presumably you've visited Ched Evans website.  I'm sure I read on there, how the complaint originated.  I can't for the life of me remember though! 

[lookout]

 Sandra,yes,a woman scorned. The chap already had a girlfriend, the danger being that in the mind of a teenager who'd been " flattered " by the advances of an older man who happened to be a footballer too. We don't know what their conversations consisted of but if the chap did say he was in a relationship,etc, the girl's world would have caved in and revenge would have been at the forefront of her mind,so what better than to accuse him of over-stepping the law with an underage girl.

[Stephanie]

Sandra,yes,a woman scorned. The chap already had a girlfriend, the danger being that in the mind of a teenager who'd been " flattered " by the advances of an older man who happened to be a footballer too. We don't know what their conversations consisted of but if the chap did say he was in a relationship,etc, the girl's world would have caved in and revenge would have been at the forefront of her mind,so what better than to accuse him of over-stepping the law with an underage girl.

Quit while you're ahead Lookout. You were caught out, end of . It was Jackiepreece who mentioned Bambers name in this thread, I merely responded to her - so take your grievances up with her.

Was she under age Lookout?

[Stephanie]

This is where i believe the police were corrupt, they decided from the very first that they were going to charge them with rape. At the top of the page when being interviewed was the name of titus bramble (another footballer that they tried to charge with rape but didnt because of no evidence)  that was before they had asked a single question.

The Bramble brothers both faced charges for rape, Tesfaye was found guilty in 2011 his brother Titus was cleared - both footballers - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/rapist-footballer-tesfaye-bramble-attempts-6352990

[sandra L]

Presumably you've visited Ched Evans website.  I'm sure I read on there, how the complaint originated.  I can't for the life of me remember though!

I did, yes, but I don't see it there. There's a comment about the only evidence being from himself, his friend and the hotel porter, but that still doesn't explain how the investigation started - those accounts were part of the investigation, not the cause of it.

Lookout's post confused me, as I thought the girl was 19, so I searched "was the complainer in the Ched Evans case under age" and found this:

She called the police to report a missing handbag. It was the police who suggested that she might have a case for rape against two well-known footballers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11330571/Reason-plays-no-part-in-the-Ched-Evans-saga.html

[Stephanie]

I have been reading about this case on and off and found this

Fascinated someone  could hack into a Twitter account and potentially use this information as evidence

Very complex case


The ‘When I win big’ Tweets
There was some conjecture that the complainant had tweeted to her inner circle of friends how she would spend when she ‘won big’.  Supporters of the complainant and the North Wales Police denied these ever existed and it was only due to the hacking skills of a New York based fire fighter, interested in the civil liberty aspect of the case against those who tweeted the ‘complainant's name’ after the conviction of Ched, that unearthed them.
The complainant had restricted her Twitter account and then deleted it and he unearthed the only remaining copies in the Google *text – mode* cache of the *French* Twitter server.  These are the tweets that were deleted by the complainant and which she thought had disappeared for good.  We have redacted the names of her friends.

‘Remind me never to tell @XXXXXXX when I win big!.....  She’s going to kill me! #scaredformylife! Haha!’

‘@XXXXXXX I will get us matching pink Mini Coopers! Haha! Just seen them pictures on Facebook, I forgot bout XXXXXXX! Haha! X’

‘@XXXXXXX I’ll make all your dreams come true XXXXXXX haha.’

‘@XXXXXXX aww,well obvs I’d treat us to an amazing holiday x’.

All these tweets were tweeted by the complainant between 8 October 2011 and 15 November 2011, approximately 5 months after Ched and Clayton McDonald had been charged with rape and approximately 5 months before Ched was convicted and Clayton acquitted.
The fire fighter posted these on his blog along with an overview of his intentions which were primarily his interest in the cyberlegal situation which follow the tweeting of the complainant’s name and the charging of those who did so, they were later convicted.  He does state that he has ‘no axe to grind' in this case knowing none of the principle participants.
All of the above is entirely accurate and whilst it does not in any way confirm the meaning of the ‘win big tweets’, one could perhaps draw their own conclusions.??The nine individuals who were charged with tweeting the complainant’s name shortly after Ched was convicted, were all ordered to pay compensation of £624.00 each to the complainant and not fined which is most unusual.  Only a fraction of those tweeting or re-tweeting were prosecuted.  There were 6,000 hits about it on Twitter alone.
Nita Dowell, Senior Crown Prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service in Wales said ‘Ched Evans took advantage of a vulnerable young woman who was in no fit state to consent to sexual activity. He did so knowingly and a total disregard for her physical or emotional wellbeing'.
 

What fascinates me Jackiepreece is that you have approached this case by posting about the hacking of the twitter account and about the girl allegedly bragging about the money she would receive.

What about false claims of rape? What do you think about women who falsely accuse men of rape?

[notsure]

Links - as in, search online for the story, follow the various links the search throws up - I wasn't referring to links exclusively on this forum - apologies if my terminology was confusing.

So, since I haven't been able to find the information, does anyone here know how the case came to the attention of the police, and why a decision was made to pursue the matter, given that no complaint had been made?

hi what happened was the girl woke up the following morning and had lost her handbag but couldnt remember anything much about the previous evening , she went to the police as she thought her drink had been spiked. No evidence of this was found in her medical.

www.chedevans.com is the website you will b able to read up on all the infirmation regarding the case.

[notsure]

My comment about a VO was made in jest Jackiepreece, however Bamber wouldn't have the courage to have me visit him
No one can know for sure whether it was consensual or not, unless they were there and witnessed it for themselves - such comments are mere speculation

You appear to think a decision in cases like this will make a difference to the case of Bamber. You seem intent on attempting to suggest these 'women aren't telling the truth therefore JM wasn't telling the truth'  and/ or the incentive to do such a thing is for the money.'

Whilst i know there are cases where this has happened, each case should be judged on its own merits.

stephanie i suggest you read www.chedevans.com website, it is really informative. Its not a forum but does give you all the facts.

[Stephanie]

stephanie i suggest you read www.chedevans.com website, it is really informative. Its not a forum but does give you all the facts.

I've seen the website thanks. In fact several years ago I sent a message of support to Ched, via Natasha. I'd read all the available evidence at the time and thought something didn't sit right.
I don't agree with your claim that the police were corrupt. Maybe they were wary.
I've followed the case for sometime on and off and it will be interesting to see what the COA decide on Thursday.

Incidentally notsure, in general what are your views on women who falsely accuse men of rape?

[sandra L]

hi what happened was the girl woke up the following morning and had lost her handbag but couldnt remember anything much about the previous evening , she went to the police as she thought her drink had been spiked. No evidence of this was found in her medical.

www.chedevans.com is the website you will b able to read up on all the infirmation regarding the case.

Thanks notsure, I've found some more stuff since I posted earlier - yes, she woke up in a strange hotel room with no bag or phone, but she didn't call the police, she called a friend/relative (from reception) to come and pick her up. It was only after she got home that she called the police to report her handbag stolen - although she gave the police the addresses of the kebab shop (where she last remembered being) and the hotel from where she'd been collected, the police immediately changed the nature of the investigation from lost/stolen property to a rape allegation ... before they'd spoken to a single witness.

There was, as I understand it, no initial claim of a spiked drink?

I'm doing this pretty much as I find info so stand open to correction at every stage - I've only known about this case for a matter of days

[Neil]

Thanks notsure, I've found some more stuff since I posted earlier - yes, she woke up in a strange hotel room with no bag or phone, but she didn't call the police, she called a friend/relative (from reception) to come and pick her up. It was only after she got home that she called the police to report her handbag stolen - although she gave the police the addresses of the kebab shop (where she last remembered being) and the hotel from where she'd been collected, the police immediately changed the nature of the investigation from lost/stolen property to a rape allegation ... before they'd spoken to a single witness.

There was, as I understand it, no initial claim of a spiked drink?

I'm doing this pretty much as I find info so stand open to correction at every stage - I've only known about this case for a matter of days

I would exercise extreme caution before pronouncing judgement on this case, if I were you.

[sandra L]

I'm in no position to pronounce judgement - as I think can be seen from my posts, I know very little about it.

I'm interested in your advice, though - for what reason should anyone be extremely cautious about pronouncing judgement? From the little I've read, people are pronouncing judgement (in both directions) all over the place.

For clarity, this is a genuine question - please don't think it is loaded in any way, or asked for any motive other than understanding your comment, and the reasons for it.