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Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« on: April 16, 2016, 01:13:PM »
I have been reading about this case on and off and found this

Fascinated someone  could hack into a Twitter account and potentially use this information as evidence

Very complex case


The ‘When I win big’ Tweets
There was some conjecture that the complainant had tweeted to her inner circle of friends how she would spend when she ‘won big’.  Supporters of the complainant and the North Wales Police denied these ever existed and it was only due to the hacking skills of a New York based fire fighter, interested in the civil liberty aspect of the case against those who tweeted the ‘complainant's name’ after the conviction of Ched, that unearthed them.
The complainant had restricted her Twitter account and then deleted it and he unearthed the only remaining copies in the Google *text – mode* cache of the *French* Twitter server.  These are the tweets that were deleted by the complainant and which she thought had disappeared for good.  We have redacted the names of her friends.

‘Remind me never to tell @XXXXXXX when I win big!.....  She’s going to kill me! #scaredformylife! Haha!’

‘@XXXXXXX I will get us matching pink Mini Coopers! Haha! Just seen them pictures on Facebook, I forgot bout XXXXXXX! Haha! X’

‘@XXXXXXX I’ll make all your dreams come true XXXXXXX haha.’

‘@XXXXXXX aww,well obvs I’d treat us to an amazing holiday x’.

All these tweets were tweeted by the complainant between 8 October 2011 and 15 November 2011, approximately 5 months after Ched and Clayton McDonald had been charged with rape and approximately 5 months before Ched was convicted and Clayton acquitted.
The fire fighter posted these on his blog along with an overview of his intentions which were primarily his interest in the cyberlegal situation which follow the tweeting of the complainant’s name and the charging of those who did so, they were later convicted.  He does state that he has ‘no axe to grind' in this case knowing none of the principle participants.
All of the above is entirely accurate and whilst it does not in any way confirm the meaning of the ‘win big tweets’, one could perhaps draw their own conclusions.??The nine individuals who were charged with tweeting the complainant’s name shortly after Ched was convicted, were all ordered to pay compensation of £624.00 each to the complainant and not fined which is most unusual.  Only a fraction of those tweeting or re-tweeting were prosecuted.  There were 6,000 hits about it on Twitter alone.
Nita Dowell, Senior Crown Prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service in Wales said ‘Ched Evans took advantage of a vulnerable young woman who was in no fit state to consent to sexual activity. He did so knowingly and a total disregard for her physical or emotional wellbeing'.
  
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 08:14:PM »
This is where i believe the police were corrupt, they decided from the very first that they were going to charge them with rape. At the top of the page when being interviewed was the name of titus bramble (another footballer that they tried to charge with rape but didnt because of no evidence)  that was before they had asked a single question.

another thing is that the girl claimed she had no memory at all. The boys were willing from the very start to admit they had sex with her.

I think thier behaviour and i mean all three of them was discraceful but it was all consesual.

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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2016, 08:39:PM »
This is where i believe the police were corrupt, they decided from the very first that they were going to charge them with rape. At the top of the page when being interviewed was the name of titus bramble (another footballer that they tried to charge with rape but didnt because of no evidence)  that was before they had asked a single question.

another thing is that the girl claimed she had no memory at all. The boys were willing from the very start to admit they had sex with her.

I think thier behaviour and i mean all three of them was discraceful but it was all consesual.
I tend to think you could be right notsure.

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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 04:55:PM »
Makes you think doesn't it ? Motivated by money.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2016, 04:57:PM »
Makes you think doesn't it ? Motivated by money.

Yet you deny this motive for Bamber  ::)
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2016, 08:10:PM »
Yet you deny this motive for Bamber  ::)

Any luck with a VO to visit Jeremy
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2016, 08:12:PM »
This is where i believe the police were corrupt, they decided from the very first that they were going to charge them with rape. At the top of the page when being interviewed was the name of titus bramble (another footballer that they tried to charge with rape but didnt because of no evidence)  that was before they had asked a single question.

another thing is that the girl claimed she had no memory at all. The boys were willing from the very start to admit they had sex with her.

I think thier behaviour and i mean all three of them was discraceful but it was all consesual.

Absolutely agree Notsure
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2016, 08:13:PM »
Makes you think doesn't it ? Motivated by money.

It does lookout, it will be an interesting decision whichever way the decision goes
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2016, 08:30:PM »
Any luck with a VO to visit Jeremy

My comment about a VO was made in jest Jackiepreece, however Bamber wouldn't have the courage to have me visit him

Absolutely agree Notsure
No one can know for sure whether it was consensual or not, unless they were there and witnessed it for themselves - such comments are mere speculation



It does lookout, it will be an interesting decision whichever way the decision goes

You appear to think a decision in cases like this will make a difference to the case of Bamber. You seem intent on attempting to suggest these 'women aren't telling the truth therefore JM wasn't telling the truth'  ::) and/ or the incentive to do such a thing is for the money.'

Whilst i know there are cases where this has happened, each case should be judged on its own merits.
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2016, 09:35:PM »
My comment about a VO was made in jest Jackiepreece, however Bamber wouldn't have the courage to have me visit him
No one can know for sure whether it was consensual or not, unless they were there and witnessed it for themselves - such comments are mere speculation

You appear to think a decision in cases like this will make a difference to the case of Bamber. You seem intent on attempting to suggest these 'women aren't telling the truth therefore JM wasn't telling the truth'  ::) and/ or the incentive to do such a thing is for the money.'

Whilst i know there are cases where this has happened, each case should be judged on its own merits.

I know exactly what you said 'in jest'
The point is do I believe you ???

Do not pre empt what I think about the Ched Evans case and I certainly would not discuss the case with  you because nothing you think or say makes sense

Do you really think anyone believes you have the experience or knowledge to say who is and who isn't a psychopath
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2016, 09:44:PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ched-evans-d-day-for-disgraced-footballer-as-court-of-appeal-considers-rape-conviction-a6987126.html

For a player whose high points in football have been a second-half hat-trick for Sheffield United against Chesterfield four years ago and one of the six goals Manchester City scored against a desperately poor Portsmouth side some time before, Ched Evans has an extraordinarily high profile.

Everyone knows the name and on Thursday the Court of Appeal rules on the case that has placed him into the national consciousness: his conviction four years ago for the rape of a young woman, at a hotel three miles from the North Wales coast.

Football will be searching its soul again when it finds out whether or not the evidence submitted in last month’s two-day hearing – which, because of a ruling, cannot be reported – will result in his conviction being overturned. If his appeal is successful, Evans’s name will be added to the list of individuals whose appeals have been won when referred back by the Criminal Cases Review Commission – a whopping 70 per cent of cases referred back have succeeded on appeal.

Those Court of Appeal rulings that find a conviction to have been wrong are often greeted with a complicated kind of delight: the sense of justice done tempered by the years of denied liberty. Not so with Evans – and a story about an air pistol with a telescopic sight reveals why. The family with whom he lodged during his time at Manchester City became conscious of the long hours of inactivity in the young player’s life; which he filled one day by purchasing the air pistol and taking aim at their son. The bullet, allegedly fired as a joke, lodged in the boy’s groin, in a position where the proximity of arteries persuaded doctors to leave it.

The mindlessness extends to the conduct we have seen enacted on behalf of Evans’s during attempts to clear his name – and in his willingness to allow a website to publish the vilest declarations of his innocence. Its worst statements were removed several days after The Independent drew fresh attention to them, though the ugliness of them still really has known no bounds. Beyond blurred footage of the victim, there were the images of a pink Mini Cooper and a sunshine island to illustrate what it suggests were the motivating factors for her.

The difficult balance for anyone in Evans’s position to establish is between proclamation of innocence and decency. How can there be an apology from someone who, in his own mind, has committed no crime? Yet if those who were motivated to publish had not been so blinded by their hatred, they might have been able to see that there was a civilised way for Evans to pursue his claims of innocence, enshrined in the law.

There has been a less publicised side to the efforts to demonstrate justice. In the early days after Evans’s conviction, the freelance investigative journalist Don Hale was quietly sought out by the player’s family to begin some of the evidence-gathering that may prove significant on Thursday. It was typically thorough work by Hale. He worked in the same painstaking way to secure new witness statements when he secured a re-examination of the case of Stephen Downing, the 17-year-old council worker convicted in 1974 of the murder of a legal secretary at a graveyard in Bakewell, Derbyshire. Downing was acquitted by the Court of Appeal in 2002.

If he is acquitted, Evans’s chances of genuine rehabilitation are contingent on the same quiet dignity that his professional advisers have prescribed. There needs to be a sense that these past four years have taught him something about humility and remorse. These are concepts within his reach, whatever the intellectual faculty. It would be enlightening to learn that Evans wanted to use this experience, and his profile, to visit schools and educate young men in matters of sexual consent. It would be surprising to find that mention of the young woman in question has no part in what he might say. And of course, the website must go.

If an aquittal does occur, some fundamental principles would be at stake: the right in this country to challenge conviction; the recognition that mistakes happen within the judicial system, and the acknowledgement that any individual, however unsympathetic, is entitled to start again in such circumstances. Evans served two and a half years behind bars, but it has been a four-year stretch where his chosen career is concerned. He was 23-years-old with promise when he left the arena, on conviction. If he returns now, he will be a 27-year-old approaching the last stretch of his playing days. If the court says Evans is innocent, then he must be free to take the chance, with those who wish to employ him entitled to do the same. Then it will be for Evans to discover if he can locate the humility that might bring a deeper, longer-lasting kind of redemption: the kind that goals on a football field never will.
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2016, 09:54:PM »
I have been reading about this case on and off and found this

Fascinated someone  could hack into a Twitter account and potentially use this information as evidence

Very complex case 
 

Do you mean a very controversial case?
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2016, 10:03:PM »
I knew nothing about this case until this evening - I've read through the various links, etc - can anyone tell me how the case came to police attention (the girl made no complaint, from what I have read) and why a decision was taken to pursue on the basis of whatever it was that brought it to police attention in the first place?


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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2016, 10:14:PM »
I knew nothing about this case until this evening - I've read through the various links, etc - can anyone tell me how the case came to police attention (the girl made no complaint, from what I have read) and why a decision was taken to pursue on the basis of whatever it was that brought it to police attention in the first place?

I've only posted one link but you've referred to there being more than one link?

If you do a little search on the WWW you should find answers to your questions Sandra.
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Re: Imminent Decision In The Ched Evans Rape Case
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2016, 11:43:AM »
Links - as in, search online for the story, follow the various links the search throws up - I wasn't referring to links exclusively on this forum - apologies if my terminology was confusing.

So, since I haven't been able to find the information, does anyone here know how the case came to the attention of the police, and why a decision was made to pursue the matter, given that no complaint had been made?