David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim

[maggie]

Hi Lookout, imo the problem is, in whose eyes would he be 100% guilty before being hanged? In the eyes of the law he is 100% guilty however much he may protest and I don't doubt he would have hung if we still had the death penalty. 
It may be the law could demand a 100% verdict by the jury for the death penalty but that is not particularly reassuring imo.
I agree if JB is innocent he is condemned to a living death, no doubt about that.  Taking away of liberty and a life and his children's lives is a crime if he is innocent but the taking away of an innocent life or in my opinion any life by the state is murder.

[lookout]

Hi Maggie,you're right about the jury,but because of the final vote in this case ( 10-2 ) he wouldn't have been hanged.

Presently,because of the number of MOJ's within the system and considering the advanced technoloy of DNA testing,obviously the death penalty would be the last form of punishment meted out. There were very few MOJ's pre-mid 60's,so what does that tell you about our advanced technology-DNA ?

I suppose what we have here is the equivalent to Death Row in the States,in which case you may as well be dead anyway, while awaiting any outcome,be it a MOJ or the electric chair.

It's the jury who give the final verdict in any case and to my mind anyone chosen for jury service should be given an intelligence test of sorts being that it's their final word that counts and they're not even trained or legally-minded ?

[maggie]

Hi Maggie,you're right about the jury,but because of the final vote in this case ( 10-2 ) he wouldn't have been hanged.

Presently,because of the number of MOJ's within the system and considering the advanced technoloy of DNA testing,obviously the death penalty would be the last form of punishment meted out. There were very few MOJ's pre-mid 60's,so what does that tell you about our advanced technology-DNA ?

I suppose what we have here is the equivalent to Death Row in the States,in which case you may as well be dead anyway, while awaiting any outcome,be it a MOJ or the electric chair.

It's the jury who give the final verdict in any case and to my mind anyone chosen for jury service should be given an intelligence test of sorts being that it's their final word that counts and they're not even trained or legally-minded ?

I know he didn't have a majority verdict but it could possibly have been 'arranged' if it was really needed. 
As for choosing jurors? I am not convinced,  intelligence in one area doesn't guarantee life experience,  human understanding etc. If Jeremy Bamber is innocent at least he is alive and able to fight another day. 

[lookout]

I know he didn't have a majority verdict but it could possibly have been 'arranged' if it was really needed. 
As for choosing jurors? I am not convinced,  intelligence in one area doesn't guarantee life experience,  human understanding etc. If Jeremy Bamber is innocent at least he is alive and able to fight another day. 

Indeed Maggie,you've said it-------human understanding.

You have to ask yourself if the jury knew enough about mental health issues and its reasons in committing familicide,and what could have been the dominant factor regarding the murders of the whole family.
Access to guns.
Threats--------which Sheila had told Ferguson regarding the twins.
Mental health and substance abuse. 

[gringo]

He is contact with JBs current legal team and is interested in what I have. Also his legal team will take it more seriously if he presents it and not me.

  Have you had a response from Andrew Hunter regarding this as yet, David?
     

[John]

If we had the death penalty,you'd have to be 100% certain--------no " might be's ".
As it is,JB has got a " death sentence " because the verdict was " either/or " ! ( Sheila or Jeremy )

I congratulate you lookout, finally you have grasped the nettle.

[John]

It's the jury who give the final verdict in any case and to my mind anyone chosen for jury service should be given an intelligence test of sorts being that it's their final word that counts and they're not even trained or legally-minded ?

I couldn't agree more.  In complicated financial cases most jurors are completely out of their depth.

[lookout]

I couldn't agree more.  In complicated financial cases most jurors are completely out of their depth.

They certainly were in the JB case,as well as others of course.

[Adam]

  Have you had a response from Andrew Hunter regarding this as yet, David?
   

He has but it won't be posted on here as it will give 'the crown more time to prepare'.

[lookout]

Good. I wonder if there'll be fireworks soon.

[Adam]

Good. I wonder if there'll be fireworks soon.

On bonfire night. But only if the crown have no time to prepare.

[David1819]

I congratulate you lookout, finally you have grasped the nettle.

I wonder if the Jury would still have convicted him if the death penalty was still around? it would have raised the bar in the jurors minds for the state to make its case.

[lookout]

Not sure if it had to be a majority verdict,as it was then,before you could hang someone.12/12.

[Stephanie]

I wonder if the Jury would still have convicted him if the death penalty was still around? it would have raised the bar in the jurors minds for the state to make its case.

The death penalty has no relevance whatsoever to this case or any other in the UK. The death penalty was abolished in 1965, so not sure what point you are trying to make?

[lookout]

 Very predictably there's " dirty work at the crossroads " concerning this " forensic breakthrough ".

Would you be bothered ? -----------Hapana Asanti.