David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim

[susan]

Hi Susan,,no,we're not squabbling. I can't even imagine that happening.  
But I'm now not so sure whether he should have said anything at all.

Lookout
I hope David is not tempted to tell what he has found if JB is innocent every effort should be made to right this wrong

[lookout]

Lookout
I hope David is not tempted to tell what he has found if JB is innocent every effort should be made to right this wrong

Susan,we'll hear soon enough. I'm not in any hurry personally as I'm sure Jeremy isn't,being resigned to the fact that for the last 30 years things have moved in a snail-like way anyway,plus the knock-backs he's had.
I just hope that David hasn't been tempted to tell anyone other than those working for the team because as sure as Hell there'll be " others " working in the background putting the blockers on anything which constitutes a " new find " in the investigation.

[susan]

Susan,we'll hear soon enough. I'm not in any hurry personally as I'm sure Jeremy isn't,being resigned to the fact that for the last 30 years things have moved in a snail-like way anyway,plus the knock-backs he's had.
I just hope that David hasn't been tempted to tell anyone other than those working for the team because as sure as Hell there'll be " others " working in the background putting the blockers on anything which constitutes a " new find " in the investigation.

Lookout very true words I have noticed that David's claim has been rubbished by some and that is their way of trying to get him to tell what it is. David is sensible enough to see this.

[Stephanie]

Lookout very true words I have noticed that David's claim has been rubbished by some and that is their way of trying to get him to tell what it is. David is sensible enough to see this.

I'm not particularly interested in David's claims Susan as my belief of Bambers guilt remains firm! Nor am I particularly interested in seeing what it is he appears to have found. It can only be a technicality IMO.

However, from what little I've seen of david1819 to date, I wouldn't refer to him as sensible. Some of his old posts on this forum reflect my belief. Only a few months ago he believed Bamber to be guilty; again this fact can be seen in his posts on this forum.

I'm not interested in his claims as I believe any attention Bamber receives only fuels his narcissistic supply and keeps this farce going.

[susan]

I'm not particularly interested in David's claims Susan as my belief of Bambers guilt remains firm! Nor am I particularly interested in seeing what it is he appears to have found. It can only be a technicality IMO.

However, from what little I've seen of david1819 to date, I wouldn't refer to him as sensible. Some of his old posts on this forum reflect my belief. Only a few months ago he believed Bamber to be guilty; again this fact can be seen in his posts on this forum.

Steph

I can understand how you feel and that you are adamant of his guilt what would happen if evidence came to light proving he was innocent would you accept this.  I know David swings from guilt to innocence and I have done the same  but always keep an open mind.  I can't wait to see what he has found and I feel it will be quite significant but how it will  be used is another thing.

[lookout]

Very true Susan.

[Stephanie]

Very true Susan.

No it isn't!

[Stephanie]

Steph

I can understand how you feel and that you are adamant of his guilt what would happen if evidence came to light proving he was innocent would you accept this.  I know David swings from guilt to innocence and I have done the same  but always keep an open mind.  I can't wait to see what he has found and I feel it will be quite significant but how it will  be used is another thing.

No one understands how I feel as only I know how I feel. 

But, with regards any evidence coming to light - it's not going to happen and I've accepted this as fact. Bamber is a psychopath and I believe the authorities know this. Therefore no technicality in law will release him. This is what I firmly believe. I understand however how a technicality in law can be frustrating and I'm well aware of the implications of this.

And as I've already stated I'm not particularly interested in David's findings.

Swinging from innocence to guilt does not mean someone is open minded. From my standpoint it suggests lack of knowledge in the case. If you can prove to me Bamber isn't a psychopath and is instead a victim I may re consider my stance.

From my observations Susan, you appeared to have gone from finally believing him guilty to innocent again after David's recent claims were announced. In fact your stance appeared to change within a blink of an eye.  is this because you are open minded or are you afraid of being wrong?

Threads on psychopathy;

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6614.0.html

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7270.msg356132.html#msg356132

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5265.msg230202.html#msg230202

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6620.0.html

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7464.0.html

David1819 started this thread;
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7203.0.html

And he made the following post which I disagree with

I have seem a televised debate with James McNeish and Joe Karam.

James McNeish puts far to much emphasis on the mental and phychological side of things and not so much on the forensics. Psychiatrist have to base themselves on the conviction as part of their analysis.

This is were you have a 50/50 situation with no grey area in the middle. A man could be truly innocent of the brutal crime hence his protests of innocence are convincing but you could always refute that by claiming he is a psychopathic master manipulator.

That's why I focus more on the forensic side instead of psychology side.

I've focused on both sides, in all areas. David suggests he hasn't.

And I can assure david1819 that my firm beliefs are not based on my imagination!!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7203.msg340767.html#msg340767

I believe David has approached his findings from his existing confirmation bias and his imagination  may well have found a new argument but nothing that will clear Bambers name.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7203.msg340828.html#msg340828

David sums up his own work in his own words rather well here 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7203.msg340958.html#msg340958

[JackiePreece]

Susan,we'll hear soon enough. I'm not in any hurry personally as I'm sure Jeremy isn't,being resigned to the fact that for the last 30 years things have moved in a snail-like way anyway,plus the knock-backs he's had.
I just hope that David hasn't been tempted to tell anyone other than those working for the team because as sure as Hell there'll be " others " working in the background putting the blockers on anything which constitutes a " new find " in the investigation.

I agree Lookout. Also Ngb has put so much time working with Jeremy on his case (unpaid) and given up a lot of time to run the forum he really deserves some good news at long last

[guest7363]

Lookout very true words I have noticed that David's claim has been rubbished by some and that is their way of trying to get him to tell what it is. David is sensible enough to see this.

Hi Susan, I don't think they have been rubbished  because it's hard to rubbish something you have not seen.  The problem being, a lot of people have been on the forum a long time (my 6th year this year) I have some good friends and stay for that reason plus I am interested on new theories. How many times have you and I had our hopes built up only to be let down, the latest was the book The Deviant, it's a case of David coming out with the claims of new evidence and everyone going " here we go again" it's only natural.  David went to the best person in NGB for advice, Neil is a little cautious he knows there has been a lot of ground covered by this case that cannot be used again, the bar has been raised high like Neil said and the CCRC and prosecution can counter a lot of evidence, look when we had the Kodak expert.

But the most important thing is that people who believe they are the victims of miscarriages of justice have somewhere to go: the CCRC." This never used to be the case before, although I think the CCRC are looking at something like 760 cases with 420 cases awaiting review so by the time Bambers case gets forwarded is anyone's guess?  In 2014/15 the Commission referred 36 cases to the appeal courts. This means that we referred 2.2% of the 1,632 cases concluded in the year. In the previous year the referral rate was 2.7%, in 2012/13 1.6%, and in 2011/12 it was 2.5%. The Commission’s long-term referral rate now stands at 3.35%.

[lookout]

 I have TRIED looking at both sides but sadly because there are so many cases of " mothers "neglecting/harming/murdering their children while under the influence of drugs, it's now becoming everyday news. While these so-called " mothers " are concentrating on their next fix,it's all about them and nobody else matters,their children are suffering badly.
Murder this week where a " mother " stamped on her baby,another thought about her own enjoyment and left the baby wedged between the bed and the wall to which ended in suffocation and one little mite was going through bins for something to eat. Tip of the iceberg,sadly !

If I remember rightly,the twins at aged 5/6 were having to get themselves ready for school because their mother was spaced out. They also had marks on their bodies of " unknown origin " as reported by Social Services. Nobody can take drugs AND look after children !!

Nobody knows how I feel about these hapless women !! MOTHERS WHO KILL.   

[susan]

Steph.  As far as JB is concerned I spent years believing him innocent but of late I tend to think he is guilty but if  evidence is found proving otherwise I will accept I was wrong.  I could not care less about being right or wrong my knowledge on this case is very limited and most of my theories have been wrong and nobody on the forum takes any notice of my posts anyway I must admit I am not adamant about any of my views I suppose I am quite fickle.  Hartley changed my mind from innocent to guilty as I do not research and tend to agree with Maggie's posts (hahaha as pointed out by Mat) Jeremy could be everything you say he is I would not know but I am really looking forward to the evidence David has uncovered.

[susan]

Hi Susan, I don't think they have been rubbished  because it's hard to rubbish something you have not seen.  The problem being, a lot of people have been on the forum a long time (my 6th year this year) I have some good friends and stay for that reason plus I am interested on new theories. How many times have you and I had our hopes built up only to be let down, the latest was the book The Deviant, it's a case of David coming out with the claims of new evidence and everyone going " here we go again" it's only natural.  David went to the best person in NGB for advice, Neil is a little cautious he knows there has been a lot of ground covered by this case that cannot be used again, the bar has been raised high like Neil said and the CCRC and prosecution can counter a lot of evidence, look when we had the Kodak expert.

But the most important thing is that people who believe they are the victims of miscarriages of justice have somewhere to go: the CCRC." This never used to be the case before, although I think the CCRC are looking at something like 760 cases with 420 cases awaiting review so by the time Bambers case gets forwarded is anyone's guess?

Hi Justice
excellent post.  Justice you are right we have had many highs and lows together I like you tend to hang around because of the good friends we have made over the years and we are eagerly awaiting for something new to come up because I honestly feel there is so much we do not know and I rack my brains trying to figure certain things out and cannot come up with the answers.

[Stephanie]

but I am really looking forward to the evidence David has uncovered.

Why?

[susan]

Why?

Steph

Davids find may answer some of the questions I would like answering. Most people I have spoken with are curious if nothing else.