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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #405 on: April 07, 2016, 10:47:PM »
If I recall that was a comment made on a facebook account.

It was not

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« Reply #406 on: April 07, 2016, 10:49:PM »
It was not

Actually, yes it was, you are quite correct. That was your private message.

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #407 on: April 07, 2016, 11:23:PM »
As I say, there simply was insufficient detail produced from the examination of the flake from the silencer, to justify John Hayward staking the claim that the basic four blood group results, were unique and exclusive to Sheila Caffell. Worse yet, because of such a misleading claim the prosecution was able to rely upon the suggestion that the silencer in question must have been fitted to the barrel of the rifle that fired the fatal shot which killed her, and that she could not have removed the silencer, which contained her unique and exclusive blood, from the barrel of the gun, and transported it downstairs to hide it in the so called gun cupboard - but it was all part of a dishonest deception, based on a claim John Hayward was not entitled to make on the back of such basic blood group activity...
Was there any blood trail in the gun cupboard area? I doubt it..

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #408 on: April 08, 2016, 12:13:AM »
As someone posted the other day, there is no blood left to sample, it has all effectively been destroyed.  Consequently there is nothing to test and no new evidence.

The results are on record, clearly in light of new advancements in blood group interpretation, it does not need blood for the results obtained in a bygone era to still be available, since it is possible in hindsight to say whether the basic results that were relied on back then, were reliable, are still reliable, or as the case may be no longer tenable, in light of what is now known...
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #409 on: April 08, 2016, 12:21:AM »
They are not.

and why do you think that Hartley ?

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #410 on: April 08, 2016, 12:24:AM »
No they are not.

Although Sherlock attempted to suggest otherwise last night.

Is it me or does Sherlock sound like one of xxxxx pseudonyms?

I did not attempt to suggest it Stephanie ...

I did suggest it ...

You were the one caught out telling a little porkie last night - not me - or have you forgotten that already ?

Like i suggested to you last night when you have put yourself in a hole - stop digging  ;)

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« Reply #411 on: April 08, 2016, 12:26:AM »
Sherlock was adamant last night that they are!

SHERLOCK!  Where are you?

Don't worry Neil - i am still here ... :))

And i still am adamant ...

Because that is what they told me ...

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #412 on: April 08, 2016, 12:34:AM »
I did not attempt to suggest it Stephanie ...

I did suggest it ...

You were the one caught out telling a little porkie last night - not me - or have you forgotten that already ?

Like i suggested to you last night when you have put yourself in a hole - stop digging  ;)

Fair enough I was pulling your leg  :P now stick that in your pipe and smoke it  ;D
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« Reply #413 on: April 08, 2016, 12:55:AM »
Fair enough I was pulling your leg  :P now stick that in your pipe and smoke it  ;D

Respect for that Stephanie - your credibility is restored  :))

I will do but i only get my pipe out at weekends these days so i will have to wait for the pleasure  :))

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #414 on: April 08, 2016, 04:05:PM »
Respect for that Stephanie - your credibility is restored  :))

I will do but i only get my pipe out at weekends these days so i will have to wait for the pleasure  :))

I'm sure there will be some people who will disagree with your sentiment  ;D ;D

However, I don't agree with the theories you have put forward nor do I believe there will be a break through in this case any time soon. I don't believe David has thoroughly scrutinised all areas of the case and I further believe he has approached it with an already existing belief of bias, thus his findings will show his confirmation bias. Time will tell.
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« Reply #415 on: April 08, 2016, 07:01:PM »
The confirmation bias

"Where do your beliefs and opinions come from? If you are like most people, you probably like to believe that your beliefs are the result of years of experience and objective analysis of the information you have available. The reality is that all of us are susceptible to a tricky problem known as a confirmation bias. While we like to imagine that our beliefs are rational, logical, and objective, the fact is that our ideas are often based on paying attention to the information that upholds our ideas and ignoring the information that challenges our existing beliefs.

A confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias that involves favoring information that confirms previously existing beliefs or biases. For example, imagine that a person holds a belief that left-handed people are more creative than right-handed people. Whenever this person encounters a person that is both left-handed and creative, they place greater importance on this "evidence" supporting their already existing belief.

This individual might even seek out "proof" that further backs up this belief, while discounting examples that do not support this idea.

Confirmation biases impact how people gather information, but they also influence how people interpret and recall information. For example, people who support or oppose a particular issue will not only seek information that supports their beliefs, they will also interpret news stories in a way that upholds their existing ideas and remember things in a way that also reinforces these attitudes.

Consider the debate over gun control. Sally is in support of gun control. She seeks out news stories and opinion pieces that reaffirm the need for limitations on gun ownership.

When she hears stories about shootings in the media, she interprets them in a way that supports her existing beliefs. Henry, on the other hand, is adamantly opposed to gun control. He seeks out news sources that are aligned with his position, and when he comes across news stories about shootings, he interprets them in a way that supports his current point of view.

A number of experiments conducted during the 1960s demonstrated that people have a tendency to seek information that confirms their existing beliefs. Unfortunately, this type of bias can prevent us from looking at situations objectively, can influence the decisions we make, and can lead to poor or faulty choices.

During an election season, for example, people tend to seek out positive information that paints their favored candidates in a good light while looking for information that casts the opposing candidate in a negative light. By not seeking out objective facts, interpreting information in a way that only supports their existing beliefs, and only remembering details that uphold these beliefs, people often miss important information that might have otherwise influenced their decision on which candidate to support.

Observations

"Persons believing in extrasensory perception (ESP) will keep close track of instances when they were 'thinking about Mom, and then the phone rang and it was her!' Yet they ignore the farm more numerous times when (a) they were thinking about Mom and she didn't call and (b) they weren't thinking about Mom and she did call. They also fail to recognize that if they talk to Mom about every two weeks, their frequency of "thinking about Mom" will increase near the end of the two-week-interval, thereby increasing the frequency of a 'hit.'"
(Goodwin, 2010)

"We also ignore information that disputes our expectations. We are more likely to remember (and repeat) stereotype-consistent information and to forget or ignore stereotype-inconsistent information, which is one way stereotypes are maintained even in the face of disconfirming evidence. If you learn that your new Canadian friend hates hockey and loves sailing, and that your new Mexican friend hates spicy foods and loves rap music, you are less likely to remember this new stereotype-inconsistent information." (Sanderson, 2010)

"Groopman (2007) points out that the confirmation bias can couple with the availability bias in producing misdiagnosis in a doctor's office. A doctor who had jumped to a particular hypothesis as to what disease a patient has may then ask questions and look for evidence that tends to confirm that diagnosis while overlooking evidence that would tend to disconfirm it. Groopman suggests that medical training should include a course in inductive reasoning that would make new doctors aware of such biases. Awareness, he things, would lead to fewer diagnostic errors. A good diagnostician will test his or her initial hypothesis by searching for evidence against that hypothesis."
(Gray, 2011)

http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/fl/What-Is-a-Confirmation-Bias.htm





« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 07:03:PM by Stephanie »
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #416 on: April 08, 2016, 07:08:PM »
The confirmation bias

"Where do your beliefs and opinions come from? If you are like most people, you probably like to believe that your beliefs are the result of years of experience and objective analysis of the information you have available. The reality is that all of us are susceptible to a tricky problem known as a confirmation bias. While we like to imagine that our beliefs are rational, logical, and objective, the fact is that our ideas are often based on paying attention to the information that upholds our ideas and ignoring the information that challenges our existing beliefs.

A confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias that involves favoring information that confirms previously existing beliefs or biases. For example, imagine that a person holds a belief that left-handed people are more creative than right-handed people. Whenever this person encounters a person that is both left-handed and creative, they place greater importance on this "evidence" supporting their already existing belief.

This individual might even seek out "proof" that further backs up this belief, while discounting examples that do not support this idea.

Confirmation biases impact how people gather information, but they also influence how people interpret and recall information. For example, people who support or oppose a particular issue will not only seek information that supports their beliefs, they will also interpret news stories in a way that upholds their existing ideas and remember things in a way that also reinforces these attitudes.

Consider the debate over gun control. Sally is in support of gun control. She seeks out news stories and opinion pieces that reaffirm the need for limitations on gun ownership.

When she hears stories about shootings in the media, she interprets them in a way that supports her existing beliefs. Henry, on the other hand, is adamantly opposed to gun control. He seeks out news sources that are aligned with his position, and when he comes across news stories about shootings, he interprets them in a way that supports his current point of view.

A number of experiments conducted during the 1960s demonstrated that people have a tendency to seek information that confirms their existing beliefs. Unfortunately, this type of bias can prevent us from looking at situations objectively, can influence the decisions we make, and can lead to poor or faulty choices.

During an election season, for example, people tend to seek out positive information that paints their favored candidates in a good light while looking for information that casts the opposing candidate in a negative light. By not seeking out objective facts, interpreting information in a way that only supports their existing beliefs, and only remembering details that uphold these beliefs, people often miss important information that might have otherwise influenced their decision on which candidate to support.

Observations

"Persons believing in extrasensory perception (ESP) will keep close track of instances when they were 'thinking about Mom, and then the phone rang and it was her!' Yet they ignore the farm more numerous times when (a) they were thinking about Mom and she didn't call and (b) they weren't thinking about Mom and she did call. They also fail to recognize that if they talk to Mom about every two weeks, their frequency of "thinking about Mom" will increase near the end of the two-week-interval, thereby increasing the frequency of a 'hit.'"
(Goodwin, 2010)

"We also ignore information that disputes our expectations. We are more likely to remember (and repeat) stereotype-consistent information and to forget or ignore stereotype-inconsistent information, which is one way stereotypes are maintained even in the face of disconfirming evidence. If you learn that your new Canadian friend hates hockey and loves sailing, and that your new Mexican friend hates spicy foods and loves rap music, you are less likely to remember this new stereotype-inconsistent information." (Sanderson, 2010)

"Groopman (2007) points out that the confirmation bias can couple with the availability bias in producing misdiagnosis in a doctor's office. A doctor who had jumped to a particular hypothesis as to what disease a patient has may then ask questions and look for evidence that tends to confirm that diagnosis while overlooking evidence that would tend to disconfirm it. Groopman suggests that medical training should include a course in inductive reasoning that would make new doctors aware of such biases. Awareness, he things, would lead to fewer diagnostic errors. A good diagnostician will test his or her initial hypothesis by searching for evidence against that hypothesis."
(Gray, 2011)

http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/fl/What-Is-a-Confirmation-Bias.htm

"Inductive reasoning is a logical process in which multiple premises, all believed true or found true most of the time, are combined to obtain a specific conclusion.

Inductive reasoning is often used in applications that involve prediction, forecasting, or behavior. Here is an example:

Every tornado I have ever seen in the United States rotated counterclockwise, and I have seen dozens of them.
We see a tornado in the distance, and we are in the United States.
I conclude that the tornado we see right now must be rotating counterclockwise.
A meteorologist will tell you that in the United States (which lies in the northern hemisphere), most tornadoes rotate counterclockwise, but not all of them do. Therefore, the conclusion is probably true, but not necessarily true. Inductive reasoning is, unlike deductive reasoning, not logically rigorous. Imperfection can exist and inaccurate conclusions can occur, however rare; in deductive reasoning the conclusions are mathematically certain.

Inductive reasoning is sometimes confused with mathematical induction, an entirely different process. Mathematical induction is a form of deductive reasoning, in which logical certainties are "daisy chained" to derive a general conclusion about an infinite number of objects or situations.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/inductive-reasoning
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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #417 on: April 09, 2016, 01:38:PM »
David,I bet you rue the day that you ever opened your mouth. I know I do.
 The forum has been turned on its head and even the guilters on red are squabbling amongst themselves.

Was that a bad move on your part,or what ?

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Re: David1819 - forensic breakthrough claim
« Reply #418 on: April 09, 2016, 01:59:PM »
David,I bet you rue the day that you ever opened your mouth. I know I do.
 The forum has been turned on its head and even the guilters on red are squabbling amongst themselves.

Was that a bad move on your part,or what ?

Hello Lookout

I think it is great that David shared his find with us although not the actual evidence it has given us something to look forward to and we aint squabbling are we :)) :)) :))
« Last Edit: April 09, 2016, 02:00:PM by susan »

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« Reply #419 on: April 09, 2016, 02:04:PM »
Hello Lookout

I think it is great that David shared his find with us although not the actual evidence it has given us something to look forward to and we aint squabbling are we :)) :)) :))

 




Hi Susan,,no,we're not squabbling. I can't even imagine that happening. :)) :)) :))  :-* :-*
But I'm now not so sure whether he should have said anything at all. :(