what do jeremys demands for further tests on the silencer prove.

[Caroline]

I thought this was the Robert Boutflour thesis..

It was - Julie was probably asked about it by Jones so she made a note of it. She has never said she thought it used it. It's just people grasping at straws again.

[David1819]

It was - Julie was probably asked about it by Jones so she made a note of it. She has never said she thought it used it. It's just people grasping at straws again.

Grasping straws?  She has Wet suit and then bicycle written In bullet points on the same page! Gimme a break 

[Caroline]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Seegrist

This woman fired at anything, missing most of what she aimed at - not one shot missed in the Bamber case. Sheila wasn't familiar with guns and had never seen this particular weapon before. In the link you have posted, the woman actually went out and purchased a rifle - clearly she was familiar with guns - certainly more familiar than Sheila - and she STILL missed.

Jeremy just happens to leave out the gun the very night Sheila has a psychotic episode? Her father lives JUST long enough to tell Jeremy she was on the rampage and he just happens to leave the phone off the hook to prove there was a telephone call? Funny that the operator listening in on the open line, heard no one fighting for their lives, didn't hear any shots or screams - nuthin!

[Caroline]

Grasping straws?  She has Wet suit and then bicycle written In bullet points on the same page! Gimme a break 

And? She had spoken to Jones on many occasions, and it is likely that he mentioned his theories to Julie to see if they had any relevance. Julie NEVER mentioned any of it in her statements or on the stand. Gasping is what I said and grasping is what I meant!

[lookout]

If anyone had been grasping at straws it was RWB. The man was beyond desperate---------with his bike scenario,wet-suit,use of the Tampax as a barrel-cleaner ( fibres ),the " poofters " and the PI,the hacksaw blade,the silencer, even before JB was arrested he'd dashed to granny Speakmans with a view to changing her will,plenty of hearsay thrown in for good measure. The man was on a mission that was for sure.

[Caroline]

If anyone had been grasping at straws it was RWB. The man was beyond desperate---------with his bike scenario,wet-suit,use of the Tampax as a barrel-cleaner ( fibres ),the " poofters " and the PI,the hacksaw blade,the silencer, even before JB was arrested he'd dashed to granny Speakmans with a view to changing her will,plenty of hearsay thrown in for good measure. The man was on a mission that was for sure.

I agree Lookout, but the wetsuit was never mentioned by Julie, I imagine RWB's theories were bandied about before the trial and those involved knew about them. However, Julie didn't incorporate the wet suit into her testimony so David's notion of some grand conspiracy involing the wet suit has no legs. It's simply written in a list and we don't know why.

[Steve_uk]

This woman fired at anything, missing most of what she aimed at - not one shot missed in the Bamber case. Sheila wasn't familiar with guns and had never seen this particular weapon before. In the link you have posted, the woman actually went out and purchased a rifle - clearly she was familiar with guns - certainly more familiar than Sheila - and she STILL missed.

Jeremy just happens to leave out the gun the very night Sheila has a psychotic episode? Her father lives JUST long enough to tell Jeremy she was on the rampage and he just happens to leave the phone off the hook to prove there was a telephone call? Funny that the operator listening in on the open line, heard no one fighting for their lives, didn't hear any shots or screams - nuthin!

An excellent post Caroline.

[Caroline]

An excellent post Caroline.

Thank you Steve. 

[David1819]

This woman fired at anything, missing most of what she aimed at - not one shot missed in the Bamber case. Sheila wasn't familiar with guns and had never seen this particular weapon before. In the link you have posted, the woman actually went out and purchased a rifle - clearly she was familiar with guns - certainly more familiar than Sheila - and she STILL missed.

Well I am not surprised she missed since this is where the shooting took place and still she got 10 people shooting some of them multiple times.

[Caroline]

Well I am not surprised she missed since this is where the shooting took place and still she got 10 people shooting some of them multiple times.

Yep, so she was a good shot - Sheila wasn't! She was clearly familiar with guns - Sheila was not.

[guest2181]

I agree Lookout, but the wetsuit was never mentioned by Julie, I imagine RWB's theories were bandied about before the trial and those involved knew about them. However, Julie didn't incorporate the wet suit into her testimony so David's notion of some grand conspiracy involing the wet suit has no legs. It's simply written in a list and we don't know why.

What is the problem with the wet suit?

The relatives were suspicious of JB early on because JB told the police things which didn't reflect reality. So they took notes, wrote diaries, brainstormed theories etc. The wet suit theory from RWB was just a thought, nothing more and nothing less.

Okay, we all might think it's a little far fetched, but RWB was convinced that JB had murdered five members of his family and was trying to figure out how he did it so that the murderous xxxxxxx wouldn't get away with it.

I don't personally go along with that particular theory, but the relatives suspicions of JB being responsible were clearly well placed.

[David1819]

What is the problem with the wet suit?

The relatives were suspicious of JB early on because JB told the police things which didn't reflect reality. So they took notes, wrote diaries, brainstormed theories etc. The wet suit theory from RWB was just a thought, nothing more and nothing less.

Okay, we all might think it's a little far fetched, but RWB was convinced that JB had murdered five members of his family and was trying to figure out how he did it so that the murderous xxxxxxx wouldn't get away with it.

I don't personally go along with that particular theory, but the relatives suspicions of JB being responsible were clearly well placed.

Well placed? If you read RWB diary he believed Jeremy gave his soul to Satan and suspected Brett Collins was involved because he was "gay" RWB was for lack of a better word a bigot who couldn't fathom the idea of a women using a gun.

However I don't blame RWB for his beliefs/views they were the norm for his generation.

[guest2181]

Well placed? If you read RWB diary he believed Jeremy gave his soul to Satan and suspected Brett Collins was involved because he was "gay" RWB was for lack of a better word a bigot who couldn't fathom the idea of a women using a gun.

However I don't blame RWB for his beliefs/views they were the norm for his generation.

His generational take on the world is somewhat irrelevant.

I was asking what the problem with him coming up with a theory and it being a bit far fetched?

[Caroline]

His generational take on the world is somewhat irrelevant.

I was asking what the problem with him coming up with a theory and it being a bit far fetched?

Nothing at all BUT David was suggesting that the theory crossed over to Julie because there was some kind of colusion between her and the family and possibly EP. I was arguing against it.

[guest2181]

Nothing at all BUT David was suggesting that the theory crossed over to Julie because there was some kind of colusion between her and the family and possibly EP. I was arguing against it.

Oh okay, I haven't seen anything suggesting that.