what do jeremys demands for further tests on the silencer prove.

[nugnug]

what do jeremys demands prove.

does that prove he dident use the silencer.

or he just cant rember using it.

[Caroline]

what do jeremys demands prove.

does that prove he dident use the silencer.

or he just cant rember using it.

So you think he's guilty then?

[nugnug]

as ive said many many times i dont know he could well be but he might not be.

but what do his demands for further testing prove do they prove his innocent or that he just dident use the silencer or like david sugested he has amensia.

[Steve_uk]

what do jeremys demands prove.

does that prove he dident use the silencer.

or he just cant rember using it.

Remember he almost got away with it, a thought which must be eating him up inside, however far he has pushed the incident into the recesses of his mind.

[nugnug]

to me it suggests 3 different possibility.

ether his innocent.

his guilty but dident use the silencer.

or his got amenisia of some sort.

[Steve_uk]

to me it suggests 3 different possibility.

ether his innocent.

his guilty but dident use the silencer.

or his got amenisia of some sort.

I rule the first one out due to the sheer weight of circumstantial evidence.

The second is a possiblilty, as Robert Boutflour strove to influence the minds of the authorities with any new evidence he could concoct.

With the effort of affirming innocence on a daily basis who knows how his mental health has degenerated over the past thirty years.

[nugnug]

what do you think is the most likely of the other 2.

[Steve_uk]

what do you think is the most likely of the other 2.

Didn't Betty Shine tell Colin he was in a mental hospital, then informed it was prison? Remember the video of him in the back of the Police car..I don't think he ever realized the enormity of what he had done. Did Robert Boutflour leave a silencer for his family to find..I think this secret may have gone with him to his grave.

[David1819]

I rule the first one out due to the sheer weight of circumstantial evidence.

The second is a possiblilty, as Robert Boutflour strove to influence the minds of the authorities with any new evidence he could concoct.

With the effort of affirming innocence on a daily basis who knows how his mental health has degenerated over the past thirty years.

Steve the circumstancial evidence is not as heavy as you think. Specially anything Julie Mugford has said.
As Rivlin QC pointed out to the Jury she could easily have got the information from the police or Ann Eaton.

[Jane]

Steve the circumstancial evidence is not as heavy as you think. Specially anything Julie Mugford has said.
As Rivlin QC pointed out to the Jury she could easily have got the information from the police or Ann Eaton.

However, she may have followed Jeremy's guideline on how important it was to always tell as much of the truth as possible.

[Steve_uk]

Steve the circumstancial evidence is not as heavy as you think. Specially anything Julie Mugford has said.
As Rivlin QC pointed out to the Jury she could easily have got the information from the police or Ann Eaton.

Not the general flow of the evidence, which represented the eighteen month-long relationship and detailed his growing dissatisfaction with his circumstances and his musings on doing away with his parents. The details of the warts and all picture are what struck me, as if she had finally accepted the enormity of what she had let him get away with, along with the glove coming off during the fight with Nevill, which surely deals the coup de grâce as to Jeremy's innocence or guilt.

[Jane]

Not the general flow of the evidence, which represented the eighteen month-long relationship and detailed his growing dissatisfaction with his circumstances and his musings on doing away with his parents. The details of the warts and all picture are what struck me, as if she had finally accepted the enormity of what she had let him get away with, along with the glove coming off during the fight with Nevill, which surely deals the coup de grâce as to Jeremy's innocence or guilt.

Steve, your post has made me speculate on how Julie would have felt after she'd been to the police. Relief, I feel sure, is certain, mixed with final acceptance -by hearing herself say it out loud- of the full horrific impact of what he'd done and what she'd been living with. However, it would have signified the end of her dreams. There was no going back -no possibility of reconciliation. I can imagine there was grief.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, your post has made me speculate on how Julie would have felt after she'd been to the police. Relief, I feel sure, is certain, mixed with final acceptance -by hearing herself say it out loud- of the full horrific impact of what he'd done and what she'd been living with. However, it would have signified the end of her dreams. There was no going back -no possibility of reconciliation. I can imagine there was grief.

I think grief for herself and the victims, and also relief that she had extricated herself, though with the trial to come. Was there always a part of her that had to pinch herself as she recognized the enormity of the estate, from Jeremy's ramblings to the mansion viewed herself from the top of the double decker bus: a feeling that this whole outfit was just too good to be true, that something quiescent was lurking in the background which even the strongest passion could not surmount.

[Jane]

I think grief for herself and the victims, and also relief that she had extricated herself, though with the trial to come. Was there always a part of her that had to pinch herself as she recognized the enormity of the estate, from Jeremy's ramblings to the mansion viewed herself from the top of the double decker bus: a feeling that this whole outfit was just too good to be true, that something quiescent was lurking in the background which even the strongest passion could not surmount.

Steve, I've said numerous times, that I truly believe Julie thought, that in Jeremy, all her dreams had come true. -I'd be interested to know what was happening to her grades during the time she was with him- because I think her life, up till then, had been more of a struggle than cushioned. I won't condemn her if, momentarily, she lost focus and saw herself leading a cushioned and affluent life with the man she loved. I wonder if she'd heard the advice that if it seems too good to be true, it generally is. Difficult advice, though, for the young and head over heels in love, to digest.

[Caroline]

Steve the circumstancial evidence is not as heavy as you think. Specially anything Julie Mugford has said.
As Rivlin QC pointed out to the Jury she could easily have got the information from the police or Ann Eaton.

Jeremy could have easily told her everything she said after killing his parents. He didn't JUST tell Julie he wanted to kill them and he dropped hits to other - like Liz Rimmington "Only I know what happened that night".