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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #240 on: February 27, 2016, 05:29:PM »




Steve,I've been thinking about something else concerning the bodies of the deceased. How was it that an officer had said " a further 3 bodies " without first checking ? Someone must have counted only 3 ?
What made the officer so sure that there " were a further 3 bodies ?" What makes matters worse is that an officer/s actually radioed to base saying that there were a further 3 bodies,which meant that TWO were found on entry !!

I much prefer to put my own slant on things rather than following what others say,or indeed what the court conclusion came to.



Because you're so determined that Jeremy is innocent, it's become very necessary for you to put you own slant on everything. ERRONEOUSLY??

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« Reply #241 on: February 27, 2016, 05:56:PM »



Because you're so determined that Jeremy is innocent, it's become very necessary for you to put you own slant on everything. ERRONEOUSLY??





 What makes you think that YOUR dubious posts are correct just because you know he's guilty ?

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« Reply #242 on: February 27, 2016, 06:06:PM »




 What makes you think that YOUR dubious posts are correct just because you know he's guilty ?


That's simple, Lookout. There aren't a totally separate and unique set of emotions and behaviours reserved for the Bamber case. We ALL -which includes you, Lookout. Sorry!!!- dance to a particular tune in our own way, ergo, there are limited ways for all behaviours to be explained. Take from that the entirely inappropriate and there become even fewer explanations.

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« Reply #243 on: February 27, 2016, 06:18:PM »
I can't PROVE that Jeremy is innocent  ( except that I believe and have faith in him ) the same as you can't PROVE that he's guilty,unless you count that old chestnut of " behaviour " as being part of his guilt.

It's not an 'old chestnut' Lookout - it's estimated that around 25% of the prison population are psychopaths.

This is from 1998 -

"The Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised (PCL-R) is becoming increasingly recognized as a valid and reliable method for assessing psychopathy in male forensic populations. Previous research has supported the view that the scale has good psythomeiric properties, however, most work to date has been conducted with North American samples. In the present study the PCL-R was administered to 104 inmates admitted to Grendon thereapeulic prison for long-term psychotherapy. Measures of internal consistency and inter-item reliability were in the range of acceptable to good. Factor analysis using oblique rotation identified two main factors which were similar to the two-factor model proposed by Hare. Factor congruence coefficients indicated that the factors extracted were almost identical to those obtained in North American samples. Twenty six percent of the sample were classified as psychopaths, which is close to the LeveLs reported in North American prison settings, but considerably higher than previous research involving UK samples. This is consistent with the selection criteria for Grendon which emphasize the presence of ‘personality disorder’ or ‘psychopathy’ as a prerequisite. Overall, the results can be viewed as offering further support to the growing literature attesting to the reliability and factor stnwture of the PCL-R."

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/3/504.abstract
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« Reply #244 on: February 27, 2016, 06:29:PM »
It's not an 'old chestnut' Lookout - it's estimated that around 25% of the prison population are psychopaths.

This is from 1998 -

"The Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised (PCL-R) is becoming increasingly recognized as a valid and reliable method for assessing psychopathy in male forensic populations. Previous research has supported the view that the scale has good psythomeiric properties, however, most work to date has been conducted with North American samples. In the present study the PCL-R was administered to 104 inmates admitted to Grendon thereapeulic prison for long-term psychotherapy. Measures of internal consistency and inter-item reliability were in the range of acceptable to good. Factor analysis using oblique rotation identified two main factors which were similar to the two-factor model proposed by Hare. Factor congruence coefficients indicated that the factors extracted were almost identical to those obtained in North American samples. Twenty six percent of the sample were classified as psychopaths, which is close to the LeveLs reported in North American prison settings, but considerably higher than previous research involving UK samples. This is consistent with the selection criteria for Grendon which emphasize the presence of ‘personality disorder’ or ‘psychopathy’ as a prerequisite. Overall, the results can be viewed as offering further support to the growing literature attesting to the reliability and factor stnwture of the PCL-R."

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/3/504.abstract

"Opened in 1962, Grendon was initially used as an experimental psychiatric prison and psychiatric unit for prisoners with antisocial personality disorders. It developed into a therapeutic community (tc) prison based upon principles established at the Henderson Hospital in London. There are five, sometimes six discrete therapeutic communities, each with over 40 resident prisoners. In 2014, a small tc opened for prisoners with learning disabilities who had previously been excluded from treatment. This 'TC+' was modelled on similar projects begun the previous year at Dovegate and Gartree Prisons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Grendon

HMP Wakefield is a high-security prison for men typically in security categories A and B.
HMP Wakefield was originally built as a house of correction in 1594. The current prison was designated a ‘dispersal' prison in 1966 (the longest of the remaining original group). It is now a main lifer centre with the focus on serious sex offenders. The average prison roll is approximately 740 including approximately 100 Category A and 10 High Risk Category A prisoners.
Wakefield houses a Close Supervision Centre (CSC) a small therapeutic centre aiming to provide a supportive, safe, structured and consistent environment for some of the most challenging offenders.

http://www.justice.gov.uk/contacts/prison-finder/wakefield


I wouldn't ignore the fact that Bamber remains in an A-Cat prison - I'd suggest it's relevant.. I'd go on to further suggest the prison authorities know much more about Bambers 'behaviours' than any of us do - hence why he remains a high risk prisoner.


* Off topic - I wasn't sure if Bamber was in Full Sutton or Wakefield so double checked on the OS. But it reminded me to warn others - as I didn't learn this until 2013 - stamps are used as currency the same as tabacco http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/write-to-jeremy So if people do write to him and want a reply, I'd suggest sending a stamped address envelope as opposed to a book of stamps.
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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #245 on: February 27, 2016, 06:51:PM »

That's simple, Lookout. There aren't a totally separate and unique set of emotions and behaviours reserved for the Bamber case. We ALL -which includes you, Lookout. Sorry!!!- dance to a particular tune in our own way, ergo, there are limited ways for all behaviours to be explained. Take from that the entirely inappropriate and there become even fewer explanations.

Couldn't agree more Jane!
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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #246 on: February 27, 2016, 07:02:PM »

That's simple, Lookout. There aren't a totally separate and unique set of emotions and behaviours reserved for the Bamber case. We ALL -which includes you, Lookout. Sorry!!!- dance to a particular tune in our own way, ergo, there are limited ways for all behaviours to be explained. Take from that the entirely inappropriate and there become even fewer explanations.






There is no right or wrong way for an individual to display any sort of behaviour at any given time or event.We ALL behave differently.We're NOT clones,nor are we PROGRAMMED to act the way that we're EXPECTED to.!

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« Reply #247 on: February 27, 2016, 07:06:PM »
There is no right or wrong way for an individual to display any sort of behaviour at any given time or event.We ALL behave differently.We're NOT clones,nor are we PROGRAMMED to act the way that we're EXPECTED to.!

I presume you are referring to people who aren't disordered?
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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #248 on: February 27, 2016, 07:07:PM »
"Opened in 1962, Grendon was initially used as an experimental psychiatric prison and psychiatric unit for prisoners with antisocial personality disorders. It developed into a therapeutic community (tc) prison based upon principles established at the Henderson Hospital in London. There are five, sometimes six discrete therapeutic communities, each with over 40 resident prisoners. In 2014, a small tc opened for prisoners with learning disabilities who had previously been excluded from treatment. This 'TC+' was modelled on similar projects begun the previous year at Dovegate and Gartree Prisons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Grendon

HMP Wakefield is a high-security prison for men typically in security categories A and B.
HMP Wakefield was originally built as a house of correction in 1594. The current prison was designated a ‘dispersal' prison in 1966 (the longest of the remaining original group). It is now a main lifer centre with the focus on serious sex offenders. The average prison roll is approximately 740 including approximately 100 Category A and 10 High Risk Category A prisoners.
Wakefield houses a Close Supervision Centre (CSC) a small therapeutic centre aiming to provide a supportive, safe, structured and consistent environment for some of the most challenging offenders.

http://www.justice.gov.uk/contacts/prison-finder/wakefield


I wouldn't ignore the fact that Bamber remains in an A-Cat prison - I'd suggest it's relevant.. I'd go on to further suggest the prison authorities know much more about Bambers 'behaviours' than any of us do - hence why he remains a high risk prisoner.


* Off topic - I wasn't sure if Bamber was in Full Sutton or Wakefield so double checked on the OS. But it reminded me to warn others - as I didn't learn this until 2013 - stamps are used as currency the same as tabacco http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/write-to-jeremy So if people do write to him and want a reply, I'd suggest sending a stamped address envelope as opposed to a book of stamps.
I doubt that very much. He's just another statistic to them, and as he's kept his mouth shut since his incarceration I would venture to suggest that they are learning from us.

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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #249 on: February 27, 2016, 07:09:PM »
I presume you are referring to people who aren't disordered?






What do you mean " disordered ?"

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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #250 on: February 27, 2016, 07:13:PM »
I doubt that very much. He's just another statistic to them, and as he's kept his mouth shut since his incarceration I would venture to suggest that they are learning from us.

You could well be right Steve! It most certainly won't be the first time!

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« Reply #251 on: February 27, 2016, 07:16:PM »
What do you mean " disordered ?"

You were referring to 'behaviours' so I referred to 'disordered' individuals - meaning personality disorders (PD). Namely cluster B PD. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Personality-disorder/Pages/Symptoms.aspx
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Re: Who Asked For The Carpets (etc.) To Be Burned?
« Reply #252 on: February 27, 2016, 07:19:PM »





What do you mean " disordered ?"

To put it very loosely, those whose behaviours fall outside the parameters of what's considered appropriate to a given circumstance.That would be behaviours as a whole, not just a "sound bite".

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« Reply #253 on: February 27, 2016, 07:25:PM »
You were referring to 'behaviours' so I referred to 'disordered' individuals - meaning personality disorders (PD). Namely cluster B PD. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Personality-disorder/Pages/Symptoms.aspx





How on earth can you diagnose a person as having a personality disorder when you haven't even met them?

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« Reply #254 on: February 27, 2016, 07:27:PM »




How on earth can you diagnose a person as having a personality disorder when you haven't even met them?

I guess the clue in this case is that Bambers in an A-cat prison because he murdered 5 family members.
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