Julie's WS. Surely she didn't read all this in the newspapers:

[Adam]

Limited experience doesn't mean a thing when it comes to using one in anger which is what Sheila did.

Well she had to chamber and reload. Twice.

Sheila seemed to have a spilt personality during the massacre. Being crazy enough to kill and brutally beat everyone. However at the same time,  composed enough to chamber, reload, read the bible, burn Neville's back & shower.

[Jane]

Her next injection had only been a week away and she'd had felt the full force of not having taken the other meds to counteract the side effects so her state would have been unquestionably unstable.
Unstable enough for her to have " gained partial control " of her actions to which were intended instead of being in the zombied state that she obviously hated,but was obviously the idea in which the medication had been designed for.

I imagine that there was a timed "safety blanket" incorporated into those injections. By the very nature of the illness it would have been inexpedient for it to be otherwise. She probably wouldn't have been "uncovered" unless she'd gone WELL over time.

[JackiePreece]

I imagine that there was a timed "safety blanket" incorporated into those injections. By the very nature of the illness it would have been inexpedient for it to be otherwise. She probably wouldn't have been "uncovered" unless she'd gone WELL over time.

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Jane you can discuss Sheila's medication forever but nobody on this forum could even guess if her medication was right or wrong
Even today there will be people committing suicide and an inquest will question if the deceased person had the right medication
It's not a black or white question or answer but I have read enough to see what a sad state Sheila was in and backed up by Colin's reaction on learning about her death
That young girl had nobody to turn to or even show her unconditional love
She just couldn't cope.
It's just a shame that after her death the relatives all of a sudden took an interest in the affairs at WHF

[Adam]

Julie mentioning that MM was going to phone Bamber, and use a memory phone, highlights that he planned to create the siege situation with the police. Which was the best idea.

People have claimed he should have blamed it on a random burglar of psychopath. Or let someone else find the dead bodies in the morning,  with the gun on Sheila. While others have said he only telephoned the police on the spur of the moment to explain Neville being in the kitchen.

The memory phone was not available, but Bamber had to carry out the massacre anyway.

[Caroline]

Julie mentioning that MM was going to phone Bamber, and use a memory phone, highlights that he planned to create the siege situation with the police. Which was the best idea.

People have claimed he should have blamed it on a random burglar of psychopath. Or let someone else find the dead bodies in the morning,  with the gun on Sheila. While others have said he only telephoned the police on the spur of the moment to explain Neville being in the kitchen.

The memory phone was not available, but Bamber had to carry out the massacre anyway.

How would Julie even know they had a 'memory phone' unless she was told by Jeremy?

[lookout]

I imagine that there was a timed "safety blanket" incorporated into those injections. By the very nature of the illness it would have been inexpedient for it to be otherwise. She probably wouldn't have been "uncovered" unless she'd gone WELL over time.

It's strength had been drastically and suddenly reduced instead of it having been a gradual process because of it being such a powerful drug,. which wouldn't have boded well IF she'd been the paranoid schizophrenic that she was supposed to have been.
To make a drastic reduction in any prescribed medication is not advised.

[Adam]

How would Julie even know they had a 'memory phone' unless she was told by Jeremy?

Bamber is innocent. So it must have been the police, when they created the false WS with her.

It is strange that the police created Julie's WS and included lots of things Julie wouldn't have read in the newspapers (in the thread post), but for some bizarre reason introduced MM.

[lookout]

Any condition in which prescribed medication wasn't taken in its entirety WILL return with a vengeance.

[Jane]

It's strength had been drastically and suddenly reduced instead of it having been a gradual process because of it being such a powerful drug,. which wouldn't have boded well IF she'd been the paranoid schizophrenic that she was supposed to have been.
To make a drastic reduction in any prescribed medication is not advised.

Because the dose had previously been abnormally high, all things being equal, she'd have felt better. She probably DID feel somewhat better because she appeared not to feel the need to take those drugs prescribed as a counter balance to the high dose of Haloperidol. Unfortunately, it's likely that depression had become part of the mix.

[lookout]

Because the dose had previously been abnormally high, all things being equal, she'd have felt better. She probably DID feel somewhat better because she appeared not to feel the need to take those drugs prescribed as a counter balance to the high dose of Haloperidol. Unfortunately, it's likely that depression had become part of the mix.

The reason for the strength of the initial dose is something that I'm eager to find out about and until we know the full extent and the reason why the dose was so high, I for one will remain wondering just how drastic her illness was. Sheila's medical records should hold the information leading up to the last months of her life.

[Jan]

Well she had to chamber and reload. Twice.

Sheila seemed to have a spilt personality during the massacre. Being crazy enough to kill and brutally beat everyone. However at the same time,  composed enough to chamber, reload, read the bible, burn Neville's back & shower.

So did Jeremy then .

Because the shower was not in the normal position so someone used it.

[Jane]

Any condition in which prescribed medication wasn't taken in its entirety WILL return with a vengeance.

Not if it was taken as a counter balance for something which no longer existed. What she wasn't taking wasn't her primary medication.

[maggie]

Not if it was taken as a counter balance for something which no longer existed. What she wasn't taking wasn't her primary medication.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-does-a-drugs-half-life-mean.htm

As far as I can see the half life of Haloperidol Decanoate !00 mg intra muscular injection is 3 weeks and this is probably what she was prescribed but as explained above it depends on the physical age, metabolic rate etc. of the patient so it's very difficult to establish how much Haloperidol she had left in her system at the time of the murders and if this would in fact have affected her psychosis.
It does seem very remiss that she was not being monitored more closely after the change as it seems everybody reacts differently and should be monitored for the first few months.  Seems there isn't a conclusive answer.

[Jane]

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-does-a-drugs-half-life-mean.htm

As far as I can see the half life of Haloperidol Decanoate !00 mg intra muscular injection is 3 weeks and this is probably what she was prescribed but as explained above it depends on the physical age, metabolic rate etc. of the patient so it's very difficult to establish how much Haloperidol she had left in her system at the time of the murders and if this would in fact have affected her psychosis.
It does seem very remiss that she was not being monitored more closely after the change as it seems everybody reacts differently and should be monitored for the first few months.  Seems there isn't a conclusive answer.

This has been my point from the outset. I think mistakes were made. She left St Andrews sooner than was thought appropriate after which it all seemed to fall apart. The promised visits by psych nurses didn't happen so she was unable to discuss her meds. The locum reduced them by more than was instructed but NOT, however, below an acceptable level. The few minutes she would have spent with her doctor on the two occasions she visited seems far too little for a patient recently having discharged herself from a psych hospital.