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'Slaughter at the farm'. Discussion points.
« on: January 23, 2016, 11:12:AM »
Watched it for a second time, now it's on Youtube. Some interesting points.


Miller said Bamber 'controlled' the scene at WHF.

Miller said Bamber 'hated' his parents and 'resented his sister.

Bamber saw the wills four months before the massacre. And was not happy.

Bamber was sent to boarding school at 8. He blamed Neville & June for this. This matches MM's  testimony.

Neville was in good physical health. This supports the crime scene.

Miller & BW said Julie was an 'ordinary', 'nice' & 'honest' person. Which matches my threads. What a pity she ended up with Bamber.

Miller said Julie was 'deeply in love' & 'controlled' by Bamber.

Bamber eventually went to work on WHF. Having to work long hours for 'pocket money'. This explains why he worked extra hours at the caravan site, which the programme says. He wanted to live it up in London but did not have the resources.

He confessed to the caravan site break in the following day. And justified it to himself as he felt June & Neville were both weak and 'needed to be taught a lesson'. Although has since said he did it out of greed. He was now worried he would be disinherited. This again matches MM's testimony. However I don't know why he didn't pay it all back if he confessed the following day. Bamber said he spent all the money.

BW said June wanted to prosecute Bamber for the caravan break in. This matches several people who have commented on June & Bamber's non relationship.

BW said there was a lot more bickering at WHF from 1984. Neville was concerned about being shot in a shooting accident.

Bamber threatened to implicate Julie if she told the police about his plans. This may have put Julie off, however no crime had been committed. Julie was also 'deeply in love' with Bamber.

BW said Bamber would often do the opposite to what Neville wanted on the farm. And would do warped, callous and evil things. Such as putting rats in BW's car.

BW said there was talk about Sheila moving to WHF. Although Bamber's WS says the discussion was about Sheila moving to his cottage. Either way BW said Bamber would be worried about the twins taking over WHF. This again matches MM's testimony.

Bamber 'called Julie' at 9.50pm on the murder night. Perhaps he wanted to tell her what 'he had been thinking about all day'.

The defence argument in court says Julie testified because 'he jilted her'. A recent thread shows this would not be the case.

Bews said Bamber drove slowly to WHF. Bamber was keen to immediately offer information to Bews and suggested straight away that Sheila may have killed everyone. Which surprised Bews as usually the police have to spend time extracting this sort of theory. As Bews said 'things went up a notch'.

Bews decided not to go charging into WHF Don't blame him (TAC).

Miller said Bamber was plausible and agreed with Bamber that he was a 'good actor'. However there were suspicious police from day one.

BW said she had 'no doubts' and never saw any grief from Bamber. However he did smile after getting in the car after the funeral. This matches what RB said. Miller also saying Bamber pointed at his Hugo Boss at the funeral reception.

Miller confirmed Bamber would cycle to WHF. And use Sheila as a scapegoat. The bible being put next to Sheila for 'the polices benefit'.

Miller believes Sheila was lead into the bedroom. She wouldn't have known much of what was happening.

BW said Sheila had no strengt, was 'listless', 'tired' and found difficulty even sitting up. BW said she could restrain Sheila herself with one arm. This corresponds with AE and CAL.

The programme said Neville went downstairs when he heard noises. This is wrong.

It was suggested Bamber dyed his hair the day before the massacre as he was getting ready for a new image. Sounds plausible. Or a 'curious coincidence'.

The programme accepted what Julie said Bamber said to her at Bamber's 3am phone call. Partly because there has never been an alternative offer. 











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Re: 'Slaughter at the farm'. Discussion points.
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 11:19:AM »
Watched it for a second time, now it's on Youtube. Some interesting points.

Miller said Bamber 'controlled' the scene at WHF.

Miller said Bamber 'hated' his parents and 'resented his sister.

Bamber saw the wills four months before the massacre. And was not happy.

Bamber was sent to boarding school at 8. He blamed Neville & June for this. This matches MM's  testimony.

Neville was in good physical health. This supports the crime scene.

Miller & BW said Julie was an 'ordinary', 'nice' & 'honest' person. What a pity she ended up with Bamber.

Miller said Julie was 'deeply in love' & 'controlled' by Bamber.

Bamber eventually went to work on WHF. Having to work long hours for 'pocket money'. This explains why he worked extra hours at the caravan site. He wanted to live it up in London but did not have the resources.

He confessed to the caravan site break in the following day. And justified it to himself as he felt June & Neville were both weak. Although has since said he did it out of greed. He was now worried he would be disinherited. This again matches MM's testimony. However I don't know why he didn't pay it all back if he confessed the following day. Bamber said he spent all the money.

June wanted to prosecute Bamber for the caravan break in. This matches several people who have commented on June & Bamber's non relationship.

BW said there was a lot more bickering from 1984. Neville was concerned about being shot in a shooting accident.

Bamber threatened to implicate Julie if she told the police about his plans. This may have put Julie off, however no crime had been committed.

BW said Bamber would often do the opposite to what Neville wanted on the farm. And would do warped, callous and evil things. Such as putting rats in BW's car.

BW said there was talk about Sheila moving to WHF. Although Bamber's WS says the discussion was about Sheila moving to his cottage. Either way BW said Bamber would be worried about the twins taking over WHF. This again matches MM's testimony.

Bamber 'called Julie' at 9.50pm on the murder night. Perhaps he wanted to tell her what 'he had been thinking about all day'.

The defence argument in court says Julie testified because 'he jilted her'.

Bews repeated Bamber drove slowly to WHF. Bamber was keen to immediately offer information to Bews and suggested straight away that Sheila may have killed everyone. Which surprised him. Bews decided not to go charging in. Don't blame him.

Miller said Bamber was plausible and agreed with Bamber that he was a 'good actor'. However there were suspicious police from day one.

BW said she had 'no doubts' and never saw any grief from Bamber. However he did smile after getting in the car after the funeral. This matches what RB said. Miller also saying he pointed at his Hugo Boss at the funeral reception.

Miller confirmed Bamber would cycle to WHF. And use Sheila as a scapegoat. The bible being put next to Sheila for 'the polices benefit'.

Miller believes Sheila was lead into the bedroom. She wouldn't have known much of what was happening.

BW said Sheila had no strengt, was 'listless', 'tired' and found difficulty even sitting up. BW said she could restrain Sheila herself with one arm. This corresponds with AE and CAL.

The programme said Neville went downstairs when he heard noises. This is wrong.

It was suggested Bamber dyed his hair the day before the massacre as he was getting ready for a new image. Sounds plausible.

The programme accepted what Julie said Bamber said to her at Bamber's 3am phone call. Partly because there has never been an alternative.
Have never watched it and never will, I prefer the facts not people's opinions years after the event. Sensationalism imo

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Re: 'Slaughter at the farm'. Discussion points.
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2016, 11:25:AM »
Me too Maggie. It's this sort of thing that gives folk the wrong impression as it's always based on someone else's view which you're supposed to believe.

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2016, 11:31:AM »
Well it's a factual documentary with commentary from several people. Several of whom were related to the case or in contact with the family.

All of it seems correct and is backed up with other sources.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2016, 11:36:AM »
How do you know it's " factual " if you weren't there ? EP weren't altogether truthful anyway so therefore nobody will ever know the honest truth.

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2016, 11:40:AM »
Well all my points taken from the documentary are certainly correct and can be backed up. Or at the least plausible.

Apart from when the kitchen fight took place. Which was wrong. Although there was a kitchen fight.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2016, 11:50:AM »
Miller and Bews have got some brass, constantly in the media bad mouthing Bamber.

Thought they would to keep a low profile if they framed Bamber.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2016, 12:55:PM »
Well all my points taken from the documentary are certainly correct and can be backed up. Or at the least plausible.

Apart from when the kitchen fight took place. Which was wrong. Although there was a kitchen fight.

plausible? So you would convict a man on something that is plausible?

From your posts on here I could compose a characterisation of you which is "plausible" but would it be factual?

That's what you would have to think about?

And could my opinion or version be a tiny bit affected by my personal view of you?

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2016, 12:57:PM »
Well it's a factual documentary with commentary from several people. Several of whom were related to the case or in contact with the family.

All of it seems correct and is backed up with other sources.


FACT. A thing known or proved to be true. At a glance I saw that this was not the case with several of the points made.

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2016, 01:00:PM »
Miller and Bews have got some brass, constantly in the media bad mouthing Bamber.

Thought they would to keep a low profile if they framed Bamber.


You're changing the subject. What inaccuracies are you trying to wriggle out of this time?

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2016, 01:13:PM »
Watched it for a second time, now it's on Youtube. Some interesting points.


Miller said Bamber 'controlled' the scene at WHF.  Ridiculous they were experienced officers - that's a load of tosh - and if he did then they are worse than I thought.

Miller said Bamber 'hated' his parents and 'resented his sister.   ::) ::)

Bamber saw the wills four months before the massacre. And was not happy. So it would have been a bit simpler if he just asked his parents or told them they were unfair - he had access to the safe all the time and they knew he could have seen the will. And this could only have come from Julie which makes her more involved

Bamber was sent to boarding school at 8. He blamed Neville & June for this. This matches MM's  testimony.  - So? that's not hard to establish is it?

Neville was in good physical health. This supports the crime scene. - would not make a bit of difference if he was beated after being shot.

Miller & BW said Julie was an 'ordinary', 'nice' & 'honest' person. Which matches my threads. What a pity she ended up with Bamber. - That's a matter of opinion

Miller said Julie was 'deeply in love' & 'controlled' by Bamber. - yes of course she was  ::)opinion again

Bamber eventually went to work on WHF. Having to work long hours for 'pocket money'. This explains why he worked extra hours at the caravan site, which the programme says. He wanted to live it up in London but did not have the resources.  - that's opinion again - and so what - it does not make him a murderer - he liked a social life - he was in his 20s - so what?

He confessed to the caravan site break in the following day. And justified it to himself as he felt June & Neville were both weak and 'needed to be taught a lesson'. Although has since said he did it out of greed. He was now worried he would be disinherited. This again matches MM's testimony. However I don't know why he didn't pay it all back if he confessed the following day. Bamber said he spent all the money. - where is the proof of that - the only people who would know are sadly no longer here.

June wanted to prosecute Bamber for the caravan break in. This matches several people who have commented on June & Bamber's non relationship. -  Original Source ?

BW said there was a lot more bickering at WHF from 1984. Neville was concerned about being shot in a shooting accident.  - Jean Boutell knew the family for a LOT longer - she disputed this

Bamber threatened to implicate Julie if she told the police about his plans. This may have put Julie off, however no crime had been committed. Julie was also 'deeply in love' with Bamber. - yes so much she threatened to kill him by smothering him

BW said Bamber would often do the opposite to what Neville wanted on the farm. And would do warped, callous and evil things. Such as putting rats in BW's car. - Did she say that BEFORE the trial ? Or did she remember that afterwards . I don't believe it unless they were pet ones . No farm person would attempt to catch rats for obvious reasons.

BW said there was talk about Sheila moving to WHF. Although Bamber's WS says the discussion was about Sheila moving to his cottage. Either way BW said Bamber would be worried about the twins taking over WHF. This again matches MM's testimony. - ? So Barbara listened to all the intimate family discussions did she ? How could the twins take over WHF - they did not OWN whf

Bamber 'called Julie' at 9.50pm on the murder night. Perhaps he wanted to tell her what 'he had been thinking about all day'. ????? and??????

The defence argument in court says Julie testified because 'he jilted her'. A recent thread shows this would not be the case. - Really ?   I don't think you have the facts straight on that.

Bews said Bamber drove slowly to WHF. Bamber was keen to immediately offer information to Bews and suggested straight away that Sheila may have killed everyone. Which surprised Bews as usually the police have to spend time extracting this sort of theory. As Bews said 'things went up a notch'. - Where does it say that in BEWS statements? - Bews told CAL that Jeremy asked them to go into the house straight away .Is he telling porky pies?

Bews decided not to go charging into WHF Don't blame him (TAC).  Especillly as he was so scared he nearly messed himself.

Miller said Bamber was plausible and agreed with Bamber that he was a 'good actor'. However there were suspicious police from day one.  - Really - is that why the police threw the family out when they suggested they had it wrong? covering backs springs to mind

BW said she had 'no doubts' and never saw any grief from Bamber. However he did smile after getting in the car after the funeral. This matches what RB said. Miller also saying Bamber pointed at his Hugo Boss at the funeral reception. She lied in her first statement then

Miller confirmed Bamber would cycle to WHF. And use Sheila as a scapegoat. The bible being put next to Sheila for 'the polices benefit'.  Miller covering his back again

Miller believes Sheila was lead into the bedroom. She wouldn't have known much of what was happening.   - Hey you have a source ! someone THINKS something happened .Well that's it then . End of case.

SORRY TOTALLY BORED NOW .

HAVE TO GO AND WATCH PAINT DRY.






BW said Sheila had no strengt, was 'listless', 'tired' and found difficulty even sitting up. BW said she could restrain Sheila herself with one arm. This corresponds with AE and CAL.

The programme said Neville went downstairs when he heard noises. This is wrong.

It was suggested Bamber dyed his hair the day before the massacre as he was getting ready for a new image. Sounds plausible. Or a 'curious coincidence'.

The programme accepted what Julie said Bamber said to her at Bamber's 3am phone call. Partly because there has never been an alternative offer.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2016, 01:26:PM »
Except that Julie went to the chemist to buy the colour and helped him do it and she wasn't there the day before the massacre....................unless she secretly came back? I believe Colin noticed how dark was Jeremy's hair at the party, several days PRIOR to the massacre.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2016, 01:49:PM »
Except that Julie went to the chemist to buy the colour and helped him do it and she wasn't there the day before the massacre....................unless she secretly came back? I believe Colin noticed how dark was Jeremy's hair at the party, several days PRIOR to the massacre.
I think there was nothing sinister about a young guy dying his hair back in the 80's, or wearing makeup... new Romantics and all that.  Must say, I quite like that look, Adam Ant was a fave of mine back then when I wasn't mopping up baby sick  :)) :)) :)) :))

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2016, 02:05:PM »
I think there was nothing sinister about a young guy dying his hair back in the 80's, or wearing makeup... new Romantics and all that.  Must say, I quite like that look, Adam Ant was a fave of mine back then when I wasn't mopping up baby sick  :)) :)) :)) :))


Much has been made of it, Maggie, but it's as you say, in the 80's it wasn't uncommon......................and what difference would the colour of his hair have made if he'd covered it with a full wetsuit, albeit a dry suit.