Sheila's Clean Hands

[Caroline]

Made a new topic for this because it's slightly different from David's.

I have a theory about Sheila's hands and why it was 'later' reported that they were clean. We know that Venezis's contradicts himself with his written notes and his final report (blood stained hands/ not blood stained). I 'think' EP forgot to photograph Sheila's palms and realised that questions would be asked. Venezis was at the meeting with SJ et al when they discussed who they thought was responsible, (Sheila or Jeremy). He now suggests that the stain on her nightdress looks like fingermarks and that the comment about clean hands was made 'after' she was washed.

[Jane]

Do you think they "forgot" or simply didn't bother initially because, as far as they were concerned, it was a suicide?

[Jan]

Made a new topic for this because it's slightly different from David's.

I have a theory about Sheila's hands and why it was 'later' reported that they were clean. We know that Venezis's contradicts himself with his written notes and his final report (blood stained hands/ not blood stained). I 'think' EP forgot to photograph Sheila's palms and realised that questions would be asked. Venezis was at the meeting with SJ et al when they discussed who they thought was responsible, (Sheila or Jeremy). He now suggests that the stain on her nightdress looks like fingermarks and that the comment about clean hands was made 'after' she was washed.

I think this goes back as well to the "palm" argument as it was indicated there was blood on her palms?

[lookout]

Which we thought transferred to a page in the Bible ?

[Caroline]

I think this goes back as well to the "palm" argument as it was indicated there was blood on her palms?

That's what I meant.

[Jan]

I don't think we have seen any pictures of the palms  at all .So you could be right.

[guest2181]

The photographs available on the forum are quite limited. Perhaps there are photographs which have not made it in to the public domain that provide clear answers to these questions? 

[guest2181]

Made a new topic for this because it's slightly different from David's.

I have a theory about Sheila's hands and why it was 'later' reported that they were clean. We know that Venezis's contradicts himself with his written notes and his final report (blood stained hands/ not blood stained). I 'think' EP forgot to photograph Sheila's palms and realised that questions would be asked. Venezis was at the meeting with SJ et al when they discussed who they thought was responsible, (Sheila or Jeremy). He now suggests that the stain on her nightdress looks like fingermarks and that the comment about clean hands was made 'after' she was washed.

See this thread:

jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4974.msg345728.html#new

[Caroline]

See this thread:

jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4974.msg345728.html#new

Can't see anything about photographing her hands - just about bagging Sheila's hands and the hand swabs.

[David1819]

The photographs available on the forum are quite limited. Perhaps there are photographs which have not made it in to the public domain that provide clear answers to these questions? 

The one photo that shows a particular angle of her hand is rather poor quality. Its a photo of photo and the flash don't help either but I have somewhat made it look more normal and clear

[Caroline]

The one photo that shows a particular angle of her hand is rather poor quality. Its a photo of photo and the flash don't help either but I have somewhat made it look more normal and clear

No, I'm talking about the inside of her hands. I don't think they got photographed so to make up for this, they just said her hands were clean, but the evidence doesn't support this - in my opinion.

[David1819]

No, I'm talking about the inside of her hands. I don't think they got photographed so to make up for this, they just said her hands were clean, but the evidence doesn't support this - in my opinion.

There are what appear to be three finger marks on the night dress were her finger would have rubbed 

[Caroline]

There are what appear to be three finger marks on the night dress were her finger would have rubbed 

I know, that's what I am talking about 

[David1819]

I know, that's what I am talking about 

its certainly a discrepancy. I guess if you want a straight answer you would have to show vanezis that photo and ask him to explain

[Caroline]

its certainly a discrepancy. I guess if you want a straight answer you would have to show vanezis that photo and ask him to explain

 He has already answered the discrepancy, he said the stain looks like finger prints (Carol Anne Lee's book) so seems to be agreeing with his original observations.