The rifle at the upstairs window Conundrum - The Bamber Alibi, revisted...

[mike tesko]

WPS Jeapes among other police called the kitchen side the front of the house because police were treating it as the front and the other sides as sides.  They set up their command post facing the kitchen side and chose that side to enter.  She references being near a barn which is facing the kitchen.  There is no question she was at the kitchen side, she witnessed the raid team enter and only from the kitchen side could one do this.  Moments ago Mike even conceded WPS Jeapes was at the kitchen side looking in the boxroom window.

I conceded because to do so by agreeing that the rifle was at the box room window, rather than the main bedroom favours Bambers innocent more, than if 'it' was resting at the main bedroom window - it had to travel further before it ended up inevitibly on top of Sheila's body as per photo's 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33...

[sami]

So, who's bloodied fingerprints were on Sheila's nightdress, and on the pages of the bible, and on the edge of the kitchen worktop? Were these bloodied fingermarks belonging to Mr Bamber senior?

i dont know were they ever tested.

[guest2181]

i dont know were they ever tested.

They are marks transferred from Shielas wrist.

Others will make up all sorts of fantastical alternatives though. 

[lemonhead]

the 3 victims being the twins or rb.how would sheila transfer the blood she would be holding that rifle.and you know as well as i do it was rb's blooded handprint.come on mike

It wasn't a hand print. Nevill's wounded shoulder bumped the wall. It had to be made by him because he's the only one who was shot in the shoulder and only one with O blood who was moving around. The twins were killed in their sleep.

   

[guest2181]

It wasn't a hand print. Nevill's wounded shoulder bumped the wall. It had to be made by him because he's the only one who was shot in the shoulder and only one with O blood who was moving around. The twins were killed in their sleep.

   

You are quite correct. Blood on the landing and stair wall could only have come from Neville.

[sami]

It wasn't a hand print. Nevill's wounded shoulder bumped the wall. It had to be made by him because he's the only one who was shot in the shoulder and only one with O blood who was moving around. The twins were killed in their sleep.

   

mike has agreed it was a blooded hand print.have you a photo or report on it .thanks

[David1819]

I conceded because to do so by agreeing that the rifle was at the box room window, rather than the main bedroom favours Bambers innocent more, than if 'it' was resting at the main bedroom window - it had to travel further before it ended up inevitibly on top of Sheila's body as per photo's 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33...

I am not saying the rifle seen by Jeapes and photographed in the bedroom was the same rifle on Shelia's body. I am suggesting there could have been two rifles involved, so you have one rifle across Shelia's body and at the same time another rifle by the main bedroom window.

I don't know why people who believe Jeremy is guilty are so closed minded about this possibility because if you are to believe Jeremy planned and engineered the mass murder it would make sense for him to conceal another rifle in the farm somewhere to grab as backup and not have to reload.

[David1819]

You are quite correct. Blood on the landing and stair wall could only have come from Neville.

Is there a crime scene photo of the stairs?

[lemonhead]

I conceded because to do so by agreeing that the rifle was at the box room window, rather than the main bedroom favours Bambers innocent more, than if 'it' was resting at the main bedroom window - it had to travel further before it ended up inevitibly on top of Sheila's body as per photo's 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33...

Instead of deciding what the truth is based on evidence you decide based on what would be best for Jeremy?  All that means is that you are guided entirely by bias, why on earth would you admit to that?

The boxroom window is just as close to her body as the bedroom window so I see no difference but neither claim benefits Jeremy anyway.  I fail to see how alleging the gun was too far away from Sheila's body for her to have killed herself with it therefore someone else must have shot her could be viewed as helping Jeremy. The defence went to great lengths trying to establish it was possible for Sheila to have killed herself. You are undermining their cause.  I have to go to sleep now.   

 

[guest2181]

I am not saying the rifle seen by Jeapes and photographed in the bedroom was the same rifle on Shelia's body. I am suggesting there could have been two rifles involved, so you have one rifle across Shelia's body and at the same time another rifle by the main bedroom window.

I don't know why people who believe Jeremy is guilty are so closed minded about this possibility because if you are to believe Jeremy planned and engineered the mass murder it would make sense for him to conceal another rifle in the farm somewhere to grab as backup and not have to reload.

There wasn't another rifle in the house, Jeapes was mistaken and her account is not corroborated.

[sami]

I am not saying the rifle seen by Jeapes and photographed in the bedroom was the same rifle on Shelia's body. I am suggesting there could have been two rifles involved, so you have one rifle across Shelia's body and at the same time another rifle by the main bedroom window.

I don't know why people who believe Jeremy is guilty are so closed minded about this possibility because if you are to believe Jeremy planned and engineered the mass murder it would make sense for him to conceal another rifle in the farm somewhere to grab as backup and not have to reload.

so where is the second rifle.did lemonhead not tell you earlier that no other rifles were found.

[guest2181]

Is there a crime scene photo of the stairs?

There are photographs of the blood stains on the wall, but Mike does not have a copy and has not posted them on the forum.

They are referred to in a few statements though.

[lookout]

 Come off it. You might be able to manipulate the brains of others but in the words of Thatcher " This lady's not for turning " !!

No other rifles were found ? Excuse me,it was a farmhouse !

[Caroline]

Come off it. You might be able to manipulate the brains of others but in the words of Thatcher " This lady's not for turning " !!

No other rifles were found ? Excuse me,it was a farmhouse !

Yeah and they has 'shotguns!

[David1819]

There wasn't another rifle in the house, Jeapes was mistaken and her account is not corroborated.

Except there is a photograph of a rifle exactly as Jeapes described resting by the window.