The rifle at the upstairs window Conundrum - The Bamber Alibi, revisted...

[guest7363]

Yes, they did, until after the firearms officers entered the farmhouse safely - rifle was still resting against the box room window...

So how did it end up on Sheila?

[mike tesko]

So how did it end up on Sheila?

Well, it was not used to shoot the female who had apparently died downstairs in the main kitchen, as described, in the police radio phone log contents, between 7.37am, and 7.45am, during which time, 'the police', were talking in terms of 'two bodies', not one. A fact further established by reference to 'one of these two bodies' being 'male', and the 'second body' having been 'a dead female'. One of these two bodies, not only being of 'opposite sex' origin, but also by 7.45 am, that 'one of these two bodies' being described as 'a murder', the other being described as a 'suicide'...

[sami]

mike please please tell me .who in the family had type o blood .ive asked you 4 times.i cant find it anywhere

[mike tesko]

mike please please tell me .who in the family had type o blood .ive asked you 4 times.i cant find it anywhere

Ralph Bamber, and the two child victims...

[David1819]

How do we know WPS Jeapes saw the rifle used to kill everyone in the boxroom window?  She said she saw what appeared to be the barrel of a rifle. That doesn't prove what she saw actually was the barrel of a rifle let alone the barrel of the rifle used in the killings.  If she was certain she saw the rifle used in the killings then instead of saying it appeared to be a rifle barrel she would have definitively stated she saw the barrel of the rifle used in the killings sitting against the window.  Do you have a crime scene photo of the boxroom so we can see if there was anything near the window?

Your saying I should interpret the first sentence what Jeapes sais as saying the box room when Jeapes does not even know where the kitchen is or seems to be confused between the what door is which. then I should conveniently ignore the second sentence describing the gun leaning against the window upstairs. Then conveniently ignore the photo showing exactly what Jeapes described as a bizzare coincidence?

I'm not very confident in accepting this 

[lemonhead]

I don't know how to post within a quote so am just going to use quotation marks.

Quote:
"Go to WHF put a rifle in the same position then look outside from the ground while at night and if it cannot be seen I shall except it cannot be seen."

Response:
Is WHF some magical place where the laws of nature cease to exist?  A rifle placed in that manner next to a first floor window will not be able to be seen from the ground unless the walls are made of glass.  While there are some buildings made for voyeurs and exhibitionists that have glass walls WHF certainly is not one of them.

Quote:
"Jeapes is at the front door seeing it shut, then is under the impression the room to right is the kitchen. The room the right of the front door is not the kitchen. hence the term "which I understood was the kitchen"

Response
Jeapes referred to the kitchen door as the front door because so far as she knew she was at the front of the house.  She said she witnessed the raid team enter the door she was looking at.  They entered the kitchen. 

Quote:

I could also see a window one the first floor of white/red side were the building is clad in grey brick in which was what appeared to be a rifle leaning against the window
 
"This sentence begins after a full stop no conjunction or connectives therefore this sentence alone is not part of a clause  together with what is said before it in a linier sense as you interpret it."

Response:

WPS Jeapes was at the containment location facing the kitchen.  From that perspective there is but a single first floor window clad in grey.  That is why she selected the description of it being clad in grey.  All 3 first floor windows at the front of the house are clad in grey so stating it was clad in grey would not assist in narrowing down which window she was referring to.  There is no question she was at the kitchen side looking at the kitchen door and referring to the boxroom window.

Quote:
"Then we have the photo illustrating exactly what was described by WPC Jeapes."


Response:

The photo doesn't illustrate what WPS Jeapes claimed at all.  The photo is of the rifle in a different room than WPS Jeapes was looking at and rifle is not leaning against the window it is against the wall thus out of sight from the ground. 

Moreover, you ignore that this photo was taken hours later after the gun was removed from her body.  The raid team and police brass who entered prior to the crime scene personnel all say the rifle was across Sheila's body not in this location.  The photo was taken after the rifle was removed from her body and left there as they got ready to lift her body to look at her back.  It is baffling how you could think this photo supports the rifle being against the bedroom window when the raid team and police brass entered.

[lemonhead]

Your saying I should interpret the first sentence what Jeapes sais as saying the box room when Jeapes does not even know where the kitchen is or seems to be confused between the what door is which. then I should conveniently ignore the second sentence describing the gun leaning against the window upstairs. Then conveniently ignore the photo showing exactly what Jeapes described as a bizzare coincidence?

I'm not very confident in accepting this 

WPS Jeapes among other police called the kitchen side the front of the house because police were treating it as the front and the other sides as sides.  They set up their command post facing the kitchen side and chose that side to enter.  She references being near a barn which is facing the kitchen.  There is no question she was at the kitchen side, she witnessed the raid team enter and only from the kitchen side could one do this.  Moments ago Mike even conceded WPS Jeapes was at the kitchen side looking in the boxroom window.
 


 

[sami]

Ralph Bamber, and the two child victims...

thank you mike .good you earlier posted to me a statement saying  .only sheila had blood on her hand  and no one ealse.so how could nevill blooded hand print be found on the wall paper.sorry mike can you explain that

[lookout]

 It was possible that Neville's DNA was on the silencer,along with June's-----------not Sheila's.

[Steve_uk]

thank you mike .good you earlier posted to me a statement say .only sheila had blood on her hand  and no one ealse.so how could nevill blooded hand print be found on the wall paper.sorry mike can you explain that

I think there was blood on the downstairs hallway outside the kitchen but have never seen a picture of this location.

[mike tesko]

thank you mike .good you earlier posted to me a statement saying  .only sheila had blood on her hand  and no one ealse.so how could nevill blooded hand print be found on the wall paper.sorry mike can you explain that

Well, the presence of 'O' type blood on the wall paper near the top of the main stairs, could have originated from one of three, or two or more of the three victims who were 'O' blood type donors. But their blood could easily have been carried into position upon Sheila Caffells own hands...

[sami]

Well, the presence of 'O' type blood on the wall paper near the top of the main stairs, could have originated from one of three, or two or more of the three victims who were 'O' blood type donors. But their blood could easily have been carried into position upon Sheila Caffells own hands...

the 3 victims being the twins or nb.how would sheila transfer the blood she would be holding that rifle.and you know as well as i do it was nb's blooded handprint.come on mike

[Caroline]

the 3 victims being the twins or rb.how would sheila transfer the blood she would be holding that rifle.and you know as well as i do it was rb's blooded handprint.come on mike

Do you mean Nevill Sami?

[sami]

Do you mean Nevill Sami?

yes. thank you caroline

[mike tesko]

the 3 victims being the twins or rb.how would sheila transfer the blood she would be holding that rifle.and you know as well as i do it was rb's blooded handprint. No, I don't. It cannot even be deciphered as to whether or not the bloodstain you are referring to, was made when the person who's hand made the marks in question, was going 'downstairs', or coming back 'upstairs'. It is just as likely, if not almost certain, that 'this' bloodstain on the wallpaper of the stairs could have been made when Sheila fled upstairs after 8.10am, to become the fourth victims body which ended upstairs, after having originally being accounted for, downstairs, at a time when she had no rifle in her possession at all when she made her way up the stairs...come on mike

So, who's bloodied fingerprints were on Sheila's nightdress, and on the pages of the bible, and on the edge of the kitchen worktop? Were these bloodied fingermarks belonging to Mr Bamber senior?