Was Bamber's first shot into Sheila while she was asleep in bed ?

[Jane]

You're probably the only one who is determined that he carried her and you've probably created a scenario to fit such. Personally I think if he'd shot her whilst she was in bed, she'd more than likely have been dead -bullet moving, haemorrhage accelerated- by the time he'd lifted and carried her to the master bedroom. The first shot was always going to be fatal, just not immediately fatal.

The 2002 appeal said the first shot would have been fatal. But not instantaneous.

I think you'll find that's exactly what I said. Delighted to see that you agree.

[maggie]

Why would such a shot not be expected from a third party ? Bamber had two 6 year old's in the head and his mother in the forehead. So I don't see why people would not expect him to shoot Sheila where ever he wanted.

I meant that if the shot looked like suicide then people would believe it was suicide and that  Sheila had shot everyone else as well as herself. If a third party had shot her in the back no one would have believed Sheila killed herself.
I am talking about before Jeremy was accused of killing Sheila, you are looking at the situation in hindsight.

[Caroline]

From where ? One shot in her neck from a rifle used for shooting vermin. If he carried her to the main bedroom straight away, there would be no blood on the sheets.

Can't you see the blood that poured from her wounds? The rifle for shooting vermin caused carnage!!

[Jane]

Can't you see the blood that poured from her wounds? The rifle for shooting vermin caused carnage!!

But Caroline, don't you remember? It was a WEAK(and feeble?) rifle. Not old enough to be out on its' own, really, I suppose.

[Caroline]

But Caroline, don't you remember? It was a WEAK(and feeble?) rifle. Not old enough to be out on its' own, really, I suppose.

I guess they were all weak and feebly killed then?  I fail to see how he can suggest the gun was basically a pellet gun when he can see what damage it did.

[Adam]

Can't you see the blood that poured from her wounds? The rifle for shooting vermin caused carnage!!

The blood that ran down her neck wasn't exactly a waterfall. It wouldn't have reached the floor or her bed by the time Bamber put her down in the main bedroom.

[Adam]

I meant that if the shot looked like suicide then people would believe it was suicide and that  Sheila had shot everyone else as well as herself. If a third party had shot her in the back no one would have believed Sheila killed herself.
I am talking about before Jeremy was accused of killing Sheila, you are looking at the situation in hindsight.

Yes no one would believe Sheila had committed suicide if she had a bullet in her back.

[Adam]

But Caroline, don't you remember? It was a WEAK(and feeble?) rifle. Not old enough to be out on its' own, really, I suppose.

It was a weak rifle. Compared to a shot gun. Or a lot of hand guns. Which is why it was used for shooting vermin. And why Neville and June moved from their beds.

[Jane]

The blood that ran down her neck wasn't exactly a waterfall. It wouldn't have reached the floor or her bed by the time Bamber put her down in the main bedroom.

You have know way of knowing that for a fact. I'm inclined to think it's something you made up to fit your preferred scenario.

[Jane]

It was a weak rifle. Compared to a shot gun. Or a lot of hand guns. Which is why it was used for shooting vermin. And why Neville and June moved from their beds.

It was, nevertheless, more than capable of making pulp of an individual's face and body, and causing death.

[Caroline]

The blood that ran down her neck wasn't exactly a waterfall. It wouldn't have reached the floor or her bed by the time Bamber put her down in the main bedroom.

Based on what? How are you qualified to determine the above and what research have you done to back up your claims?

[Jane]

The blood that ran down her neck wasn't exactly a waterfall. It wouldn't have reached the floor or her bed by the time Bamber put her down in the main bedroom.

Vanezis wouldn't agree with you.

[Caroline]

It was a weak rifle. Compared to a shot gun. Or a lot of hand guns. Which is why it was used for shooting vermin. And why Neville and June moved from their beds.

Were they any less dead?

[Jane]

Were they any less dead?

D'ya know, my heart's beginning to bleed for that poor, weak rifle. What a nasty Jeremy to make it fire bullets when it obviously wasn't designed to do it.

[Adam]

Based on what? How are you qualified to determine the above and what research have you done to back up your claims?

Based on common sense. It was a rifle for shooting vermin.

Not a powerful gun being fired into the someone's skull like in the Deer Hunter.

My common sense said the rifle would be quiet with a silencer on.  My Youtube video confirms this.