Was Bamber's first shot into Sheila while she was asleep in bed ?

[maggie]

Sheila would have been in the same lain down position for both shots. It would have been that she just expected the one shot,but being a semi-auto. the second one would have literally been seconds after. Sheila wouldn't have had to have moved an inch. Because that first shot hit the jaw-bone it would have naturally followed that a second shot an inch or so away from a non-moving target would occur.
For that second shot to have reached the skull,she'd have been lying flat and the rifle pointing upwards under her chin/neck.

The first shot was at a 45 degree angle to her neck but the second shot was 90 degrees, the first shot was front to back of her neck and slightly upward, the second shot was from a different position ie flush along her body or lower than her body with her lying flat with her head on the floor so the bullet travelled up through the underneath of her chin through her mouth and into her brain.
My thoughts are that it would be unlikely a reflex second shot would do that? I may be wrong but that's the way I see it.
We know if a third party was responsible for the second shot they would have needed to hold the rifle against her body with the end touching the floor below the body, so how else could this happen than by being placed?

[maggie]

The second shot was because Sheila didn't die after the first shot. He had no choice.

Isnt That what I just said?

[lookout]

The first shot was at a 45 degree angle to her neck but the second shot was 90 degrees, the first shot was front to back of her neck and slightly upward, the second shot was from a different position ie flush along her body or lower than her body with her lying flat with her head on the floor so the bullet travelled up through the underneath of her chin through her mouth and into her brain.
My thoughts are that it would be unlikely a reflex second shot would do that? I may be wrong but that's the way I see it.
We know if a third party was responsible for the second shot they would have needed to hold the rifle against her body with the end touching the floor below the body, so how else could this happen than by being placed?

The angles of the shots would refer to the " pull-back " movement of the rifle. A handgun where you have the full control,being smaller,would fire into the first injury a second time. Because a rifle is obviously more cumbersome it's not as easy to get a double shot in the same place.

[Jane]

The second shot was because Sheila didn't die after the first shot. He had no choice.

Quelle surprise!!!!!!!!!! I think you'll find that most of us have been saying that all along. I don't think he did it for the fun of it as it potentially b******d up his "tableau."

[maggie]

The angles of the shots would refer to the " pull-back " movement of the rifle. A handgun where you have the full control,being smaller,would fire into the first injury a second time. Because a rifle is obviously more cumbersome it's not as easy to get a double shot in the same place.

I know Lookout but for all that it doesn't explain the different angles to me, of course there's always the possibility it was reflex, all things are possible but it's a slim chance I think.
I find it hard to believe the second shot wasn't carried out by a third party after she had been stunned and therefore easy to manipulate into the correct position to be shot under the chin staging it as suicide.

[lookout]

I know Lookout but for all that it doesn't explain the different angles to me, of course there's always the possibility it was reflex, all things are possible but it's a slim chance I think.
I find it hard to believe the second shot wasn't carried out by a third party after she had been stunned and therefore easy to manipulate into the correct position to be shot under the chin staging it as suicide.

I used to have it in mind that a third party was involved,but because of my personal views it was as " Taff " had first said------------a domestic.

[lebaleb]

She had be out of bed in the middle of where the shooting took place. The main bedroom is as good a place as any.

As good a place as any... including her own bedroom. Where would you suggest as 'the middle of where the shooting took place'?
I don't believe this scenario has any merit whatsoever.

[Adam]

As good a place as any... including her own bedroom. Where would you suggest as 'the middle of where the shooting took place'?
I don't believe this scenario has any merit whatsoever.

She had to be away from her bedroom. Otherwise it would look like she had been in bed all night. Rather than charging around  WHF going crazy with a rifle.

If she was up shooting people around WHF why would she go back to her bedroom ?

[Caroline]

A semi-automatic would deliver one shot after the other, to the uninitiated,those who wouldn't have been familiar with its workings.

You have to pull the trigger twice on a semi-automatic to get two shots, it's not a constant flow of bullets.

[Adam]

Isnt That what I just said?

You're post 15 said he shot Sheila again to create the 'suicide effect'.

[Adam]

It seems likely that Bamber simply wanted to shoot and kill everyone in bed. While they slept.

Sheila being the last to be shot, and Bamber then immediately carrying her out of bed.

June or Neville could then be taken out of bed and the bedroom phone plugged in and taken off the hook.

The crime scene is staged.

[Jane]

It seems likely that Bamber simply wanted to shoot and kill everyone in bed. While they slept.

Sheila being the last to be shot, and Bamber then immediately carrying her out of bed.

June or Neville could then be taken out of bed and the bedroom phone plugged in and taken off the hook.

The crime scene is staged.

You're probably the only one who is determined that he carried her and you've probably created a scenario to fit such. Personally I think if he'd shot her whilst she was in bed, she'd more than likely have been dead -bullet moving, haemorrhage accelerated- by the time he'd lifted and carried her to the master bedroom. The first shot was always going to be fatal, just not immediately fatal.

[maggie]

You're post 15 said he shot Sheila again to create the 'suicide effect'.

He did that because as Sheila didn't die with the first shot he shot her again, to finish the job but he shot her under the chin and into her brain to create the effect it was suicide. Such a shot would not be expected to be carried out by a third party. 

[Adam]

You're probably the only one who is determined that he carried her and you've probably created a scenario to fit such. Personally I think if he'd shot her whilst she was in bed, she'd more than likely have been dead -bullet moving, haemorrhage accelerated- by the time he'd lifted and carried her to the master bedroom. The first shot was always going to be fatal, just not immediately fatal.

The 2002 appeal said the first shot would have been fatal. But not instantaneous.

[Adam]

He did that because as Sheila didn't die with the first shot he shot her again, to finish the job but he shot her under the chin and into her brain to create the effect it was suicide. Such a shot would not be expected to be carried out by a third party.

Why would such a shot not be expected from a third party ? Bamber had two 6 year old's in the head and his mother in the forehead. So I don't see why people would not expect him to shoot Sheila where ever he wanted.