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Documents required for Disclosure
« on: December 12, 2015, 11:26:AM »
 1) Original handwritten logs and statements written by Malcolm Bonnett and PC West relating to Jeremy's father calling the police between 03.00am and 03.30am saying his daughter had gone beserk with a gun.

2) The original situation report radioed in by PS Bews calling out the firearms team because he'd seen Sheila Caffell moving in the house while Jeremy was with the police. Also PS Bews and PC Myall's original witness statements written on the 7th of August 1985.

3) The 06.09.85 Report by D I Kenneally stating that the evidence showed Sheila was responsible for murdering her family and then committing suicide.

4) Also required,the audio recoedings of the open phone line at White House Farm recording the raid on the house by the Firearms Officers who broke in at 07.39am.

5) The original handwritten statements from first case investigation number SC/688/85 including those written by the raid team and all fifty four ( 54 ) people who entered the house on the 7th of August 1985.

6) Interviews from the DI Dickinson Enquiry including those from the forensic scientists Glynis Howard,Malcolm Fletcher,Graham Craddock and Graham Renshaw to discover if they all wrote the same things to the Dickinson Enquiry,regarding two sound moderators,that they later admitted to during the 1991 COLP enquiry.

7)Public Immunity Interest file on Julie Mugford referring to her " deal " with the Crown Prosecution Service in exchange for immunity from prosecution for five criminal charges,three of which were unknown to the jury. Also disclosure of the Essex Police file on the £25,000 newspaper deal,agreed to in November/December 1985-( pre-trial ) by Julie Mugford's solicitors.

8) Photographs of all the rooms in White House farm including those containing firearms,such as the main office and the box room next to the master bedroom. In November 2001,all the case negatives were in uncut complete strips of ten. By 2011 and their disclosure to Jeremy, someone had cit and removed seventy seven ( 77 ) negative images from these film strips which left sixteen ( 16 ) of them cut up into multiple pieces of two,three and four frames. Disclosure is required of all 77 photographic images.

9) Sheila Caffell's Medical/Psychiatric records referring to her conversations with her consulting psychiatrist/s where she informs him she was afraid she would kill her children--as he briefly mentioned at trial. Disclosure of her 1983--1985 diaries,periods where she suffered severe episodes of psychosis.

10) Original Forensic Report by Renshaw referring to the blood in the sound moderator as identical to beneficiary of the Bamber estate,Robert Boutflour,one of the relatives who found it after police had searched the house and " missed it ".     

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Re: Documents required for Disclosure
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 11:29:AM »
Well the first two don't exist!
Few people have the imagination for reality

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Re: Documents required for Disclosure
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 11:40:AM »
Well the first two don't exist!


Anything potentially incriminating won't exist.

What may still exist will probably be disappointingly boring.

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Re: Documents required for Disclosure
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 11:50:AM »
Now how did I know I get replies like this ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh dear.

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 12:08:PM »
Now how did I know I get replies like this ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh dear.

Why would you not, Lookout? What sense would it make for anyone -even MORE so, those for whom the revealing of duplicity could mean trouble in spades- to keep anything which could incriminate them?

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2015, 12:10:PM »
Now how did I know I get replies like this ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh dear.
Because you knew what you had posted was incorrect?
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Re: Documents required for Disclosure
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 12:13:PM »
Why would you not, Lookout? What sense would it make for anyone -even MORE so, those for whom the revealing of duplicity could mean trouble in spades- to keep anything which could incriminate them?

There is a box in the back of a cupboard labelled 'Stuff we used to frame Bamber with. Shhhhh! Do not open'  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2015, 12:31:PM »
There is a box in the back of a cupboard labelled 'Stuff we used to frame Bamber with. Shhhhh! Do not open'  ;D ;D ;D


And nobody ever has. Well, would you Christmas Eve it? :)) :)) :)) :))

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Re: Documents required for Disclosure
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2015, 12:39:PM »
There is a box in the back of a cupboard labelled 'Stuff we used to frame Bamber with. Shhhhh! Do not open'  ;D ;D ;D





Who's talking about framing ? Only you. Perhaps to justify that there were " one or two " anomalies that you'd noticed ?

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2015, 01:19:PM »
 Those working behind the scenes deserve a medal for unravelling the unholy mess that this case has created. This " piecing together " of the scene as it had happened has taken years to put everything in consecutive order besides these people re-writing that which has been omitted to make it fit in in some semblance of order and referenced to fit the appropriate document.

EP thought THEY themselves were clever !!

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2015, 01:24:PM »
Those working behind the scenes deserve a medal for unravelling the unholy mess that this case has created. This " piecing together " of the scene as it had happened has taken years to put everything in consecutive order besides these people re-writing that which has been omitted to make it fit in in some semblance of order and referenced to fit the appropriate document.

EP thought THEY themselves were clever !!

Don't you mean "re-writing what they THINK has been omitted"? If it wasn't there in the first place, it's only going to be guess work which could be totally wrong. Of course, it means they're free to make it look however they want it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2015, 02:03:PM »
Don't you mean "re-writing what they THINK has been omitted"? If it wasn't there in the first place, it's only going to be guess work which could be totally wrong. Of course, it means they're free to make it look however they want it.





No,not what they think at all. It would seem that they have a quota of the information to go on as requested by the legal team,and in just a fraction of what they have got they've managed to see for themselves what's missing-------by the way what they have are worded.
13 statements were made by JM,but 5 of those had been omitted to which NOBODY has made up anything pertaining to the missing ones. It's more than they dare do to make up their own opinions/views don't you think ? There was enough of that said and done prior to the trial itself.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2015, 02:08:PM »




No,not what they think at all. It would seem that they have a quota of the information to go on as requested by the legal team,and in just a fraction of what they have got they've managed to see for themselves what's missing-------by the way what they have are worded.
13 statements were made by JM,but 5 of those had been omitted to which NOBODY has made up anything pertaining to the missing ones. It's more than they dare do to make up their own opinions/views don't you think ? There was enough of that said and done prior to the trial itself.


"A rose by any other name" Lookout. How ever you choose to word it, they can only guess at what they think is missing.

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Re: Documents required for Disclosure
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2015, 02:21:PM »

"A rose by any other name" Lookout. How ever you choose to word it, they can only guess at what they think is missing.





They MAY imagine what's missing,but it WON'T go down as fact,nor will there be any surmising.This will be done properly and above board with NOTHING hidden and no stone unturned as regards the shonky investigation.   

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2015, 02:30:PM »




They MAY imagine what's missing,but it WON'T go down as fact,nor will there be any surmising.This will be done properly and above board with NOTHING hidden and no stone unturned as regards the shonky investigation.

Your proof of this is where? You are CHOOSING to believe this because it sounds good for Jeremy, The investigation may not have been as one would have wished but it doesn't mean Jeremy is innocent. Indeed, it now appears that David accepts his guilt but think he should be released -after slaughtering his family!!!!!!- on the grounds that the investigation was flawed.