reasonable doubt

[guest7363]

Definitely interesting but I cannot see how she would be thinking about looking 'clean and tidy' after murdering her family. If she had been responsible I would have imagined she would have just turned the gun on herself, no shower or clean clothes., no thought of it. Why would she dress to impress? I've yet to hear of any suicide where the deceased is found in a 'clean and tidy' state 

Again I think people who believe this are projecting what they would likely do in that situation. But in reality, I believe to get to the point of taking ones own life, appearances would be the last thing on their mind. If they had thought about this is such detail they would surely know that following their death their corpse would do it's own thing.

For arguments sake, if Sheila had thought about wanting to be found 'clean and tidy' when did she expect she would be found? How many hours after the murder suicide did she think it would be before the bodies would be discovered and for her body to be found in 'a clean and tidy state?'

No, again, I really believe this theory to be a projection of others. It makes no sense imo.

Could not agree more

[Stephanie]

Colin

JB murdered his family, as we know. I believe if Sheila had done so Jeremy Bamber would have said much more about her (Sheila) over the past 30 years, but he hasn't!

He'd rather talk about himself and his culinary skills and going to the movies. Btw Psychopaths often put food above all else. Their basic needs are more important to them than any feelings of remorse.....

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Steph have removed your last comment on another forum member. 

[Jane]

Definitely interesting but I cannot see how she would be thinking about looking 'clean and tidy' after murdering her family. If she had been responsible I would have imagined she would have just turned the gun on herself, no shower or clean clothes., no thought of it. Why would she dress to impress? I've yet to hear of any suicide where the deceased is found in a 'clean and tidy' state 

Again I think people who believe this are projecting what they would likely do in that situation. But in reality, I believe to get to the point of taking ones own life, appearances would be the last thing on their mind. If they had thought about this is such detail they would surely know that following their death their corpse would do it's own thing.

For arguments sake, if Sheila had thought about wanting to be found 'clean and tidy' when did she expect she would be found? How many hours after the murder suicide did she think it would be before the bodies would be discovered and for her body to be found in 'a clean and tidy state?'

No, again, I really believe this theory to be a projection of others. It makes no sense imo.

Steph, there is no basis for the idea of ritualistic cleansing OTHER than it was born out of/ties in with the now debunked Monastery debacle/Satanic rites/religious fervour.

[Stephanie]

Steph, there is no basis for the idea of ritualistic cleansing OTHER than it was born out of/ties in with the now debunked Monastery debacle/Satanic rites/religious fervour.

I totally agree, it's a ridiculous theory imo.

[guest7363]

JB murdered his family, as we know. I believe if Sheila had done so Jeremy Bamber would have said much more about her (Sheila) over the past 30 years, but he hasn't!

He'd rather talk about himself and his culinary skills and going to the movies. Btw Psychopaths often put food above all else. Their basic needs are more important to them than any feelings of remorse.....

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. That answers the bake a cake thing.

[Jane]

I totally agree, it's a ridiculous theory imo.

But pushed very hard, nonetheless. It highlights much of why we may have got things wrong in the past. We have, IMO, been encouraged to go down the wrong roads.

[lebaleb]

Definitely interesting but I cannot see how she would be thinking about looking 'clean and tidy' after murdering her family. If she had been responsible I would have imagined she would have just turned the gun on herself, no shower or clean clothes., no thought of it. Why would she dress to impress? I've yet to hear of any suicide where the deceased is found in a 'clean and tidy' state 

Again I think people who believe this are projecting what they would likely do in that situation. But in reality, I believe to get to the point of taking ones own life, appearances would be the last thing on their mind. If they had thought about this is such detail they would surely know that following their death their corpse would do it's own thing.

For arguments sake, if Sheila had thought about wanting to be found 'clean and tidy' when did she expect she would be found? How many hours after the murder suicide did she think it would be before the bodies would be discovered and for her body to be found in 'a clean and tidy state?'

No, again, I really believe this theory to be a projection of others. It makes no sense imo.

There we go again with 'it makes no sense'. She was having a psychotic episode. Does my cousin strangling his wife because she was driving him to hospital make sense? Who knows what was going through her mind.

[Jane]

JB murdered his family, as we know. I believe if Sheila had done so Jeremy Bamber would have said much more about her (Sheila) over the past 30 years, but he hasn't!

He'd rather talk about himself and his culinary skills and going to the movies. Btw Psychopaths often put food above all else. Their basic needs are more important to them than any feelings of remorse.....

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FOOD!!!!!!!!!! Now that's very interesting. Food -the need for it to survive- is on the bottom rung of Maslow's Heirachy of Needs. An instinct which is innate and comes long before emotions develop. Could it be that psychopaths never develop emotional intelligence?

[Jane]

I'm sorry that your cousin strangled his wife, but it doesn't mean Sheila killed her family and then committed suicide whilst in the throes of a psychotic episode.....................and being medicated.

[Stephanie]

Lelebab wrote:

"There we go again with 'it makes no sense'. She was having a psychotic episode. Does my cousin strangling his wife because she was driving him to hospital make sense? Who knows what was going through her mind."

Sorry to hear about your cousin and his wife...

When I say 'it makes no sense' I have attempted to be objective. I am not suggesting to me it makes no sense. From personal research and speaking to others I do not believe someone intent on ending their life - baring in mind we are theorising about Sheila and this case - that she would have calmly washed and dressed after such an event.

I do not believe Sheila had a psychotic episode nor do I believe she was responsible for the murders. Imo the circumstantial evidence points strongly to JB, as do his behaviours these past 30 years. I believe him to be a psychopath and is manipulating others into believing otherwise.

[Stephanie]

FOOD!!!!!!!!!! Now that's very interesting. Food -the need for it to survive- is on the bottom rung of Maslow's Heirachy of Needs. An instinct which is innate and comes long before emotions develop. Could it be that psychopaths never develop emotional intelligence?

Exactly Jane!

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201209/emotional-intelligence-not-relevant-psychopaths

[David1819]

I wonder how she managed to shoot herself with a 45 degree angle shot? Hmmm?

By sitting up at a 90 degree angle and holding the gun at a 45 degree angle.

And also shoot herself a second time

Semi automatic gun.

and have the gun land neatly on her body?

Since she would have been holding the barrel with her left hand yes. Its not going to elevate or travel across the room

[Stephanie]

Lelebab wrote:

"There we go again with 'it makes no sense'. She was having a psychotic episode. Does my cousin strangling his wife because she was driving him to hospital make sense? Who knows what was going through her mind."

Sorry to hear about your cousin and his wife...

When I say 'it makes no sense' I have attempted to be objective. I am not suggesting to me it makes no sense. From personal research and speaking to others I do not believe someone intent on ending their life - baring in mind we are theorising about Sheila and this case - that she would have calmly washed and dressed after such an event.

I do not believe Sheila had a psychotic episode nor do I believe she was responsible for the murders. Imo the circumstantial evidence points strongly to JB, as do his behaviours these past 30 years. I believe him to be a psychopath and is manipulating others into believing otherwise.

Furthermore - whilst I recognise it's difficult 'to make sense of why someone would end their life or that of another' I believe those that do have varying motivations. I believe each case of suicide has differing factors. Same applies with murder.

I recognise that it can be difficult to look at this case objectively if you have been affected first hand by suicide.

[Stephanie]

By sitting up at a 90 degree angle and holding the gun at a 45 degree angle.

Semi automatic gun.

Since she would have been holding the barrel with her left hand yes. Its not going to elevate or travel across the room

Still making things up and allowing your own mind to run away with you David? 

I find it difficult to believe you are 'reasonably minded' (Based on most of your posts) therefore find it difficult to believe you are looking at this case objectively in order to recognise 'reasonable doubt.' Just my opinion....

[David1819]

Still making things up and allowing your own mind to run away with you David? 

No. Its called common sense