Another MASSIVE Lie

[lookout]

I agree, actually.  People seem to think they would be pretty brave, but there is no telling how you would react when you have a gun pointed at you and have possibly already seen others dead in the room. If she didn't have much time to think or act, it favoured the one with the weapon.

Whoever did what was done to Neville, had great strength and would have shown signs of a struggle or at least had some injuries or his blood on them.

Never heard of anyone shot that many times and then beaten - and the guilty party being spotlessly clean.

You don't need " great strength " when you're in charge of a gun. The shooter doesn't normally have any injuries ? Especially being a woman.
I've never heard of anyone having been shot that many times when after 2 or 3 bullets they'd have already been dead. Only an amateur would do that !

[guest154]

You don't need " great strength " when you're in charge of a gun. The shooter doesn't normally have any injuries ? Especially being a woman.
I've never heard of anyone having been shot that many times when after 2 or 3 bullets they'd have already been dead. Only an amateur would do that !

I'm talking about the beating.

[maggie]

She only has to swipe it away which even Sheila could manage, are we not talking about a girl who is fighting for her life?

Hoots!

This has been claimed many times before but should think anyone with a rifle held at their throat would probably be too frozen with fear to function in any way at all, never mind be able to raise their arm and swipe a fly never mind a rifle. 
We are talking about a woman who may have been in great fear of losing her life and therefore it's most likely that she would have been frozen with fear. 

It's ok for you in your imagination to decide how Sheila or anyone else would have behaved fighting back but in such a situation fear would be overriding imo and fear paralyses the mind and the body. 
What good would swiping away the rifle do anyway if she had no means of protecting herself further? 

[lookout]

I'm talking about the beating.

So was I.

[guest1199]

This has been claimed many times before but should think anyone with a rifle held at their throat would probably be too frozen with fear to function in any way at all, never mind be able to raise their arm and swipe a fly never mind a rifle. 
We are talking about a woman who may have been in great fear of losing her life and therefore it's most likely that she would have been frozen with fear.

It's ok for you in your imagination to decide how Sheila or anyone else would have behaved fighting back but in such a situation fear would be overriding imo and fear paralyses the mind and the body. 
What good would swiping away the rifle do anyway if she had no means of protecting herself further?
 

I don’t think that to be frozen with fear is a probability (or imaginative on my part) at all however it is a possibility. Another option that we are more familiar with is the flight or fight mechanism as well as the natural instinct for a Mother to be with her children in a time of danger so you would expect Sheila (who was devoted to her children) to be found in the same room at least, defending her children to the last.  It would be interesting to know what those who think Jeremy is guilty in what order he dispatched his family.

Does anyone know the exact model of the Anschutz rifle that Jeremy used to do the dirty deed as well as what uses it was intended for ie. foxes, rabbits, stray dogs or people? 

Hoots!

[Steve_uk]

I don’t think that to be frozen with fear is a probability (or imaginative on my part) at all however it is a possibility. Another option that we are more familiar with is the flight or fight mechanism as well as the natural instinct for a Mother to be with her children in a time of danger so you would expect Sheila (who was devoted to her children) to be found in the same room at least, defending her children to the last.  It would be interesting to know what those who think Jeremy is guilty in what order he dispatched his family.

Does anyone know the exact model of the Anschutz rifle that Jeremy used to do the dirty deed as well as what uses it was intended for ie. foxes, rabbits, stray dogs or people? 

Hoots!

With reference to the flight or fight mechanism, this is Barbara Wilson's description of Sheila in June 1985:

"I was indoors,watching her across the yard. The geese were about-perishing things, they used to cackle and chase people. But on this particular occasion I saw Sheila walking across the yard, her body and legs very stiff, staring straight ahead. She moved through the geese as if they weren't there."

I just don't see Sheila putting up any resistance to someone waking her up in the middle of the night,gun in hand or not. She was just too far gone..

[Jane]

I don’t think that to be frozen with fear is a probability (or imaginative on my part) at all however it is a possibility. Another option that we are more familiar with is the flight or fight mechanism as well as the natural instinct for a Mother to be with her children in a time of danger so you would expect Sheila (who was devoted to her children) to be found in the same room at least, defending her children to the last.  It would be interesting to know what those who think Jeremy is guilty in what order he dispatched his family.

Does anyone know the exact model of the Anschutz rifle that Jeremy used to do the dirty deed as well as what uses it was intended for ie. foxes, rabbits, stray dogs or people? 

Hoots!

Depression robs the sufferer of energy. They become listless, drained of emotion. It describes how Sheila was described as being during her last fortnight.

[lookout]

With reference to the flight or fight mechanism, this is Barbara Wilson's description of Sheila in June 1985:

"I was indoors,watching her across the yard. The geese were about-perishing things, they used to cackle and chase people. But on this particular occasion I saw Sheila walking across the yard, her body and legs very stiff, staring straight ahead. She moved through the geese as if they weren't there."

I just don't see Sheila putting up any resistance to someone waking her up in the middle of the night,gun in hand or not. She was just too far gone..

That's just it Steve,Sheila was completely cut-off from the " real world " and was focussed on her world of oblivion where she wouldn't have recognised anyone as being a part of her or her family.This is exactly the state of mind she was in on the night of the killings. Shooting her family to her would have been seen as strangers making threats.

[maggie]

I don’t think that to be frozen with fear is a probability (or imaginative on my part) at all however it is a possibility. Another option that we are more familiar with is the flight or fight mechanism as well as the natural instinct for a Mother to be with her children in a time of danger so you would expect Sheila (who was devoted to her children) to be found in the same room at least, defending her children to the last.  It would be interesting to know what those who think Jeremy is guilty in what order he dispatched his family.

Does anyone know the exact model of the Anschutz rifle that Jeremy used to do the dirty deed as well as what uses it was intended for ie. foxes, rabbits, stray dogs or people? 

Hoots!

You cannot 'expect' Sheila to be found in the same room as the twins, you may have such an opinion but as you have no real idea what happened and how she came to be where she was found you can only speculate.
I think I am aware of the natural instincts of a mother needing to protect her children which begs the question why didn't she?
The answer could be that she was not allowed to be with her children by the person holding the rifle, she may have been trying to get to them when she was shot.
If she was responsible f o r the death of her children during a psychotic episode it is unlikely she would have been aware of her maternal instincts at that time but rather in another dimension.
I have taken fight or flight into consideration and 'flight' if you are trapped can translate as being 'frozen with fear' this is VERY understandable to anyone who has experienced a serious life threatening situation.

[Steve_uk]

I also don't see her returning the silencer to the gun cupboard if she is experiencing psychosis. Of course the silencer is a controversial part of the case.

[maggie]

I also don't see her returning the silencer to the gun cupboard if she is experiencing psychosis. Of course the silencer is a controversial part of the case.

Nor me, Steve. The silencer evidence is certainly highly questionable anyway but leaving that aside, why would Sheila have even been aware about the silencer? If it was getting in her way and she was aware of it, I supposed she may have removed it and chucked it on the floor but returning it to the back of the gun cupboard doesn't really ring true to me but I may be wrong......
I find the silencer affair hard to accept whoever did or didn't hide it or find it and what was or wasn't on it, stuck to it, in it......

[Jane]

Nor me, Steve. The silencer evidence is certainly highly questionable anyway but leaving that aside, why would Sheila have even been aware about the silencer? If it was getting in her way and she was aware of it, I supposed she may have removed it and chucked it on the floor but returning it to the back of the gun cupboard doesn't really ring true to me but I may be wrong......
I find the silencer affair hard to accept whoever did or didn't hide it or find it and what was or wasn't on it, stuck to it, in it......

Nor do I see a woman who CHOSE to spend her life in London amongst cafe society, having the remotest idea of how to reload a gun.

[lookout]

Nor me, Steve. The silencer evidence is certainly highly questionable anyway but leaving that aside, why would Sheila have even been aware about the silencer? If it was getting in her way and she was aware of it, I supposed she may have removed it and chucked it on the floor but returning it to the back of the gun cupboard doesn't really ring true to me but I may be wrong......
I find the silencer affair hard to accept whoever did or didn't hide it or find it and what was or wasn't on it, stuck to it, in it......

Maybe her dad took it off her and put it in the cupboard ? It was never fingerprinted was it ?

[Jane]

Maybe her dad took it off her and put it in the cupboard ? It was never fingerprinted was it ?

Yeah right! Since when was a silencer known to fire bullets when not attached to a gun. Surely, HAD such a scenario occurred, he'd have taken the gun away.

[lookout]

Yeah right! Since when was a silencer known to fire bullets when not attached to a gun. Surely, HAD such a scenario occurred, he'd have taken the gun away.

She may have clouted him with it for starters after handling it with her bloodied hands.,