Another MASSIVE Lie

[Alias]

Ha, ha!! Nah! I don't know or believe any of that. Jeremy put the rifle on his sister after he shot her. He lied then and he's still lying now.

After he shot her twice in the neck and claimed she committed suicide? Then called the police, then stood there outside the crime scene with them and said: I don´t really like my sister?

Yeah right!

[Jane]

After he shot her twice in the neck and claimed she committed suicide? Then called the police, then stood there outside the crime scene with them and said: I don´t really like my sister?

Yeah right!

This has been discussed many times. Forget Jeremy. It applies to everyone of us -I'll leave you out because I don't want to find myself, yet again, of being accused of telling you what you think- we plan for something important and secret. As far as is possible, we allow for all possibilities, we act it out in our heads a thousand times, ensuring that nothing can go wrong, and it doesn't....................................until the last moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't just go a little bit wrong. It goes horribly and irresolvably wrong in a way which can ruin the whole thing. We can't leave it. It has to be finished, but time is limited and we're robbed of that clarity of thought we had in the planning stage. Something very close to PANIC sets in. Trying to turn it into something other than we'd intended would change the whole context of what we'd planned AND maybe take time we didn't think we'd have. Most agreed that our only option would be to carry on as if the blip hadn't occurred and try to make a convincing job of not knowing anything about it.

[Caroline]

After he shot her twice in the neck and claimed she committed suicide? Then called the police, then stood there outside the crime scene with them and said: I don´t really like my sister?

Yeah right!

Yeah - he had some neck but there you go, this the guy you want freed! 

[Steve_uk]

This has been discussed many times. Forget Jeremy. It applies to everyone of us -I'll leave you out because I don't want to find myself, yet again, of being accused of telling you what you think- we plan for something important and secret. As far as is possible, we allow for all possibilities, we act it out in our heads a thousand times, ensuring that nothing can go wrong, and it doesn't....................................until the last moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't just go a little bit wrong. It goes horribly and irresolvably wrong in a way which can ruin the whole thing. We can't leave it. It has to be finished, but time is limited and we're robbed of that clarity of thought we had in the planning stage. Something very close to PANIC sets in. Trying to turn it into something other than we'd intended would change the whole context of what we'd planned AND maybe take time we didn't think we'd have. Most agreed that our only option would be to carry on as if the blip hadn't occurred and try to make a convincing job of not knowing anything about it.

What Sheila must have thought between that first and second shot,as her right hand moved instinctively to the neck to stem the flow of blood,then finally to realize that this was no accident as the brother she trusted,maybe against her better instincts,had betrayed her.

[mike tesko]

What Sheila must have thought between that first and second shot,as her right hand moved instinctively to the neck to stem the flow of blood,then finally to realize that this was no accident as the brother she trusted,maybe against her better instincts,had betrayed her.

No, you have got it completely wrong - it couldn't possibly have happened like that / this. Do you fully understand the implications of the anshuzt rifle being photographed at the bedroom window (23), before Scenes of crime photographed 'it' on the Sheila's body, in crime scene photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33? Can you even begin to imagine the consequences of Detective Inspector Ron Cook, and police constable David Bird committing perjury about the order with which crime scene photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 23 were taken...

Bamber is in the clear...

If your looking for who killed Bambers sister, look no further than the police...

[guest1199]

What Sheila must have thought between that first and second shot,as her right hand moved instinctively to the neck to stem the flow of blood,then finally to realize that this was no accident as the brother she trusted,maybe against her better instincts,had betrayed her.

Well it’s been a while since I posted on this forum but your comment Steve-uk doesn’t make sense regardless of innocent or guilt or how much I know about the case.  To shoot anyone below the chin and upwards into the head takes compliance on the part of Sheila, i.e. an assisted suicide moderator or no moderator.  If that is the case there can be no sense of betrayal.  It’s unlikely that Jeremy would be able to control both Sheila and the rifle in order to get in a precision shot.  It would be easier to shoot her in the heart if facing her or in the back of the head if turned away.  It has to be said that Sheila was killed in a different manner than the rest of the family. I would like to know what narrative went on between Jeremy and Sheila in order to achieve that compliance. 

Hoots!

[Jane]

Well it’s been a while since I posted on this forum but your comment Steve-uk doesn’t make sense regardless of innocent or guilt or how much I know about the case.  To shoot anyone below the chin and upwards into the head takes compliance on the part of Sheila, i.e. an assisted suicide moderator or no moderator.  If that is the case there can be no sense of betrayal.  It’s unlikely that Jeremy would be able to control both Sheila and the rifle in order to get in a precision shot.  It would be easier to shoot her in the heart if facing her or in the back of the head if turned away.  It has to be said that Sheila was killed in a different manner than the rest of the family. I would like to know what narrative went on between Jeremy and Sheila in order to achieve that compliance. 

Hoots!

TomG Hello. It most certainly would have been easier as an execution but the idea was for it to have looked like a suicide, which probably explains why it was a different manner of shooting. I, too, would be interested to know what was the dialogue between all parties concerned.

[lookout]

Fancy me not thinking of that. Why go to the trouble and bother of positioning yourself " lying on the floor " to get a couple of shots to the neck.?

[guest1199]

TomG Hello. It most certainly would have been easier as an execution but the idea was for it to have looked like a suicide, which probably explains why it was a different manner of shooting. I, too, would be interested to know what was the dialogue between all parties concerned.

I doubt whether it would be “easier” as an execution Jeremy would have to control Sheila (with one hand) and the rifle and get in a precision shot. He could have saved himself the bother by either killing her or at least wounding her at long range.  The wounds imply compliance to me if Jeremy was involved, and if that’s the case it’s not murder its assisted suicide. 

Hoots!

[Caroline]

I doubt whether it would be “easier” as an execution Jeremy would have to control Sheila (with one hand) and the rifle and get in a precision shot. He could have saved himself the bother by either killing her or at least wounding her at long range.  The wounds imply compliance to me if Jeremy was involved, and if that’s the case it’s not murder its assisted suicide. 

Hoots!

People tend to be compliant at gun point however, even if we call it assisted suicide - we still have another 4 victims where murder is certainly applicable.

[maggie]

Well it’s been a while since I posted on this forum but your comment Steve-uk doesn’t make sense regardless of innocent or guilt or how much I know about the case.  To shoot anyone below the chin and upwards into the head takes compliance on the part of Sheila, i.e. an assisted suicide moderator or no moderator.  If that is the case there can be no sense of betrayal.  It’s unlikely that Jeremy would be able to control both Sheila and the rifle in order to get in a precision shot.  It would be easier to shoot her in the heart if facing her or in the back of the head if turned away.  It has to be said that Sheila was killed in a different manner than the rest of the family. I would like to know what narrative went on between Jeremy and Sheila in order to achieve that compliance. 

Hoots!

Well if he is standing in front of her with the rifle at her throat all he had to do was pull the trigger, I have argued very differently but have to agree once he held the gun to Sheila's throat as a threat he only had to pull the trigger to mortally wound her then it was easy enough to get her into position to finish her off with the shot under her chin.

[lookout]

The same could apply to the thin slip of a girl who tackled her 6ft 4 father. A couple of shots to put him out of action and the rest is without effort,hence why Sheila didn't show marks of a struggle. The gun-holder will always have the upper hand.

[guest1199]

People tend to be compliant at gun point however, even if we call it assisted suicide - we still have another 4 victims where murder is certainly applicable.

I understand that the shot upward from the neck into the head would be an effective kill shot.  If people are compliant at the point of a gun why did it take so many shots to kill Jeremy’s parents?  Why were they so resistant to the more effective neck shots that killed Sheila, especially when Neville had allegedly been struck with the butt of the rifle?  Furthermore to your last point, if the death of Sheila is assisted suicide then Jeremy would be not guilty of her murder regardless of what happened to the others. 

Hoots!

[guest154]

Well if he is standing in front of her with the rifle at her throat all he had to do was pull the trigger, I have argued very differently but have to agree once he held the gun to Sheila's throat as a threat he only had to pull the trigger to mortally wound her then it was easy enough to get her into position to finish her off with the shot under her chin.

I agree, actually.  People seem to think they would be pretty brave, but there is no telling how you would react when you have a gun pointed at you and have possibly already seen others dead in the room. If she didn't have much time to think or act, it favoured the one with the weapon.

The same could apply to the thin slip of a girl who tackled her 6ft 4 father. A couple of shots to put him out of action and the rest is without effort,hence why Sheila didn't show marks of a struggle. The gun-holder will always have the upper hand.

Whoever did what was done to Neville, had great strength and would have shown signs of a struggle or at least had some injuries or his blood on them.

Never heard of anyone shot that many times and then beaten - and the guilty party being spotlessly clean.

[guest1199]

Well if he is standing in front of her with the rifle at her throat all he had to do was pull the trigger, I have argued very differently but have to agree once he held the gun to Sheila's throat as a threat he only had to pull the trigger to mortally wound her then it was easy enough to get her into position to finish her off with the shot under her chin.

She only has to swipe it away which even Sheila could manage, are we not talking about a girl who is fighting for her life?

Hoots!