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« Reply #660 on: December 09, 2015, 01:25:PM »
Did no one bother to check his credentials, or look for him on the register of the law society?

It seems he duped fools.
It seems that way,  people still believe whatever he said?

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« Reply #661 on: December 09, 2015, 01:55:PM »
Thanks for that NGB, but he still set himself up as a Lawyer when he had no legal qualifications and he was not registered to work as a lawyer in Italy or the UK?

There is a bit of a grey area here.  There is nothing to stop an unqualified person offering legal advice and describing himself as a legal adviser, as long he does not represent himself to be a qualified lawyer.  The problem for GDS was that several clients gave evidence that they had paid money to him understanding that he was qualified and the jury obviously believed that evidence. 


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« Reply #662 on: December 09, 2015, 02:13:PM »
There is a bit of a grey area here.  There is nothing to stop an unqualified person offering legal advice and describing himself as a legal adviser, as long he does not represent himself to be a qualified lawyer.  The problem for GDS was that several clients gave evidence that they had paid money to him understanding that he was qualified and the jury obviously believed that evidence.
. Thanks again NGB, why did he not go for the qualifications, I don't think the jury needed much persuading because he had already pleaded guilty to 27 charges regarding deception, fraud and money laundering


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« Reply #663 on: December 09, 2015, 06:14:PM »
If he had been upfront and everyone knew he wasnt qualified i think he could have gone a long way. However ic its true he stole clients money then he deserves to be where he is. That is unforgivable and needs a severe punishment.

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« Reply #664 on: December 10, 2015, 12:41:AM »
I will give you a clue,  he was A conman who duped people into thinking he was a bona fide legal professional, he pleaded guilty to fraud including stealing 150000  compensation from a client that lost an arm in a crash, he also pleaded guilty to defrauding a couple out of 160000 including a women's life savings of 750000 he had no qualifications what so ever, None of this made him a fake. Fake what? fo 8 years I worked as a driving instructor, I had to pass 3 exams to get my green badge,  if i had given paid driving lessons without the green bad I would have been prosecuted, It was not illegal doing what GDS did in law, he was as good and elequent as any qualified lawyer...plenty of people know driving inside out and looks like Giovanni was pretty clued up on law but where does it put the people like me and NGB who paid and studied hard to get our certificates or degrees when a conman, fake He was not a fake. Fake what?, swindler whatever we want to call him can set up shop?  e
Most if not all of his clients that he successfully defended would not agree with your view...
« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 12:45:AM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #665 on: December 10, 2015, 05:47:AM »
Most if not all of his clients that he successfully defended would not agree with your view...
I agree with you Mike he was a good honest law abiding person, another MOJ, shame on me for thinking about the clients he had made I'll gains from when I should have been thinking about his good deeds.

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« Reply #666 on: December 10, 2015, 06:08:AM »
I agree with you Mike he was a good honest law abiding person, another MOJ, shame on me for thinking about the clients he had made I'll gains from when I should have been thinking about his good deeds.
What is another word for a Fraudster?  Noun
swindler cheat hoaxer charlatan impostor fraud fake sham phony confidence trickster so take your pick?
                        Giovanni Di Stefano (fraudster)

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« Reply #667 on: December 10, 2015, 06:19:AM »
On 27 March 2013 he was found guilty of all charges; nine counts of obtaining a money transfer by deception, eight counts of fraud, three counts of acquiring criminal property, two counts of using a false instrument, one count of attempting to obtain a money transfer by deception, one count of obtaining property by deception and one count of using criminal property.[6] He subsequently pleaded guilty to two additional counts: defrauding a couple out of £160,000, including a woman's life savings of £75,000, and stealing £150,000 from a man who had been in a car accident and lost a limb.[128]

He was sentenced to 14 years imprisonment. Judge Alistair McCreath stated that Di Stefano had caused misery and frustration to many people and called him a predator for his treatment of "desperate and vulnerable" clients: "You had no regard for them nor for their anguish. Your only concern was to line your own pockets." He described Di Stefano's crimes as "planned and persistent," his defence in court as "breathtakingly cynical,"[20] and his overall conduct as showing "greed, dishonesty and utter disregard for the sensibilities of others."[12On April 4, 2014, eight and a half years were added to Di Stefano's fourteen-year sentence, unless he compensated his victims immediately. The judge who jailed him last March at Southwark Crown Court, Alistair McCreath, told him to "pay back £1.4million forthwith or serve the extra time." He said Di Stefano had no intention of paying and had "stuck up two fingers to the court”.[1308].   
                    Looks like he was a good man after all?  Looks like he has got 22 years for nothing?   Wonder what the 2 counts of using a false instrument was for? 

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« Reply #668 on: December 10, 2015, 06:44:AM »
Most if not all of his clients that he successfully defended would not agree with your view...

"It was not illegal doing what GDS did in law, he was as good and eloquent as any qualified lawyer" Am I to understand from that statement that you believe duping is fine if you're good enough not to get found out?

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« Reply #669 on: December 10, 2015, 10:15:AM »
"It was not illegal doing what GDS did in law, he was as good and eloquent as any qualified lawyer" Am I to understand from that statement that you believe duping is fine if you're good enough not to get found out?

It seems Dodgy DiStefano does have some legal ventures after all.  ;D


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« Reply #670 on: December 10, 2015, 10:46:AM »
. Thanks again NGB, why did he not go for the qualifications, I don't think the jury needed much persuading because he had already pleaded guilty to 27 charges regarding deception, fraud and money laundering

In order to have qualified he would have to have undertaken several years of full time degree and post degree education and a further period as a trainee.  Clearly that was not something he was able or willing to do.  There was nothing wrong with the basic structure of his operation, operating as Studio Legale based in Italy and instructing qualified lawyers in the UK, Ireland and elsewhere.  He did achieve success for a few clients in this way.  However, he needed to make clear to his clients that this was the arrangement and it is clear that he did not always do that.  He also in at least one case took a lot of money from a client then failed to do anything on the client's behalf. 

 

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« Reply #671 on: December 10, 2015, 11:24:AM »
In order to have qualified he would have to have undertaken several years of full time degree and post degree education and a further period as a trainee.  Clearly that was not something he was able or willing to do.  There was nothing wrong with the basic structure of his operation, operating as Studio Legale based in Italy and instructing qualified lawyers in the UK, Ireland and elsewhere.  He did achieve success for a few clients in this way.  However, he needed to make clear to his clients that this was the arrangement and it is clear that he did not always do that.  He also in at least one case took a lot of money from a client then failed to do anything on the client's behalf.
Thanks NGB

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« Reply #672 on: December 10, 2015, 11:25:AM »
In order to have qualified he would have to have undertaken several years of full time degree and post degree education and a further period as a trainee.  Clearly that was not something he was able or willing to do.  There was nothing wrong with the basic structure of his operation, operating as Studio Legale based in Italy and instructing qualified lawyers in the UK, Ireland and elsewhere.  He did achieve success for a few clients in this way.  However, he needed to make clear to his clients that this was the arrangement and it is clear that he did not always do that.  He also in at least one case took a lot of money from a client then failed to do anything on the client's behalf.

So I could do legal work for someone aslong as it passes through a qualified lawyer and the client is aware I am no Lawyer?

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« Reply #673 on: December 10, 2015, 11:31:AM »
So I could do legal work for someone aslong as it passes through a qualified lawyer and the client is aware I am no Lawyer?

Yes you could.


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« Reply #674 on: December 10, 2015, 11:46:AM »
Yes you could.
Hi NGB,  did he get 22 years overall sentence?