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« Reply #630 on: December 08, 2015, 06:17:PM »
I think we've been through this before, Lookout. To the best of my knowledge, the letter wasn't dated.






I've found reference to it. It's in one of JM's statements dated 14/10/85. It was the letter which JM had taken out of the tape department of JB's car. JB had told her it was from his mother to be read after her death and he'd gone on to say that she'd written it recently. Obviously prior to the killings.
It's on this forum and was posted by Patti on the 26th of December 2012.

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« Reply #631 on: December 08, 2015, 06:39:PM »
It was no myth or theory that Sheila " heard voices " of God in her head. This is in  CC's mother's statement and Sheila was confused about who was who,ringing Mrs Brencher mistaking her for Dr Ferguson. This was latterly,a few months before her death.

Did Sheila hear voices on the night of the killings ?   

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« Reply #632 on: December 08, 2015, 06:39:PM »





I've found reference to it. It's in one of JM's statements dated 14/10/85. It was the letter which JM had taken out of the tape department of JB's car. JB had told her it was from his mother to be read after her death and he'd gone on to say that she'd written it recently. Obviously prior to the killings.
It's on this forum and was posted by Patti on the 26th of December 2012.

According to CAL it was given to Jeremy by Basil Cock on Tuesday, Sept. 3rd.

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« Reply #633 on: December 08, 2015, 06:45:PM »
It was no myth or theory that Sheila " heard voices " of God in her head. This is in  CC's mother's statement and Sheila was confused about who was who,ringing Mrs Brencher mistaking her for Dr Ferguson. This was latterly,a few months before her death.

Did Sheila hear voices on the night of the killings ?



We need to be very clear about this, Lookout. I imagine that she was hearing voices prior to her last admission to St Andrews but she was medicated, intravenously, with Haldol during her stay. There is no indication that she was hearing voices AFTER her release. The other meds were merely to counteract any side effects.

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« Reply #634 on: December 08, 2015, 06:46:PM »
It was no myth or theory that Sheila " heard voices " of God in her head. This is in  CC's mother's statement and Sheila was confused about who was who,ringing Mrs Brencher mistaking her for Dr Ferguson. This was latterly,a few months before her death.

Did Sheila hear voices on the night of the killings ?






Interestingly,the last time that Mrs Bencher saw Sheila,Sheila had not long come out of hospital,telling Mrs B that she'd found God. Sheila broke down and Mrs B had said it was the " first time that she'd seen Sheila show any emotion "------------------------

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« Reply #635 on: December 08, 2015, 06:48:PM »
According to CAL it was given to Jeremy by Basil Cock on Tuesday, Sept. 3rd.






JM's statement states different ?

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« Reply #636 on: December 08, 2015, 06:52:PM »





JM's statement states different ?


Undoubtedly as I believe she found it in the glove compartment of Jeremy's car where I guess Jeremy had put it. It's unlikely she'd been present when Jeremy was given it.

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« Reply #637 on: December 08, 2015, 06:59:PM »


We need to be very clear about this, Lookout. I imagine that she was hearing voices prior to her last admission to St Andrews but she was medicated, intravenously, with Haldol during her stay. There is no indication that she was hearing voices AFTER her release. The other meds were merely to counteract any side effects.

Exactly.
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« Reply #638 on: December 08, 2015, 07:11:PM »
 There nothing to say that she didn't hear voices again ? Unless you know different.?
 No medication is a miracle cure and Sheila objected to the prescribed dose.
 Why,didn't she want to get better ? Or didn't she want to feel out of control ?

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« Reply #639 on: December 08, 2015, 07:23:PM »
There nothing to say that she didn't hear voices again ? Unless you know different.?
 No medication is a miracle cure and Sheila objected to the prescribed dose.
 Why,didn't she want to get better ? Or didn't she want to feel out of control ?


And no one has come forward to say she had heard voices again. CAL has interviewed numerous who knew Sheila and none of them has said anything about it.

I'm sure we're all aware that no meds aren't miracle cures.  According to some psych consultants, it applies even more to certain psych meds. Sheila was as entitled, as you and I, to object to a dose she found difficult to live with, but I don't rule out the possibility that, had she stayed longer in St Andrews, her meds would have been adjusted before she left.

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« Reply #640 on: December 08, 2015, 07:29:PM »
 People with mental health issues aren't in the habit of telling others about their problems,so how ALL these people had professed to know Sheila,I don't know. Even the relatives had no idea of her illness.

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« Reply #641 on: December 08, 2015, 07:38:PM »
People with mental health issues aren't in the habit of telling others about their problems,so how ALL these people had professed to know Sheila,I don't know. Even the relatives had no idea of her illness.

She lived in London, Lookout. These people who, as you put it, "professed to know her" -why SHOULDN'T they have known her- probably gave her more in the way of emotional support than her family. NOT a totally unusual situation for many of us.  As she rarely saw them, it wasn't strictly necessary for her to tell the relatives about her illness. None of those who spoke of her seemed to have been in the dark regarding her illness.

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« Reply #642 on: December 08, 2015, 08:03:PM »
That letter is interesting because it tells us of the remorse June felt for how she may have neglected her children throughout her life, and whether she had a premonition of death as was reportedly the case with her husband she still put pen to paper rather than approach Sheila and Jeremy directly. Presumably Jeremy retrieved it from Basil Cock upon her demise, which is why it ended up in the glove compartment under Julie's cognizance and she was witness to Jeremy's comments,namely that he was "glad his mother was dead" but "I do miss the old man occasionally".

Of course there is no corroboration of this account, but it does smack of a man who has put the tragedy behind him and is ready to move on from the burden of the Farm and the bugbear of expectation,which he had endured from the Gresham's days, but now with a vacuum whether temporary or permament filled by foreign trips and the attraction of London city life,yet the reader of all these books on the case is left wondering whether Jeremy would remain happy for long in whatever environment he inhabited post-murders.

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« Reply #643 on: December 08, 2015, 08:29:PM »
There nothing to say that she didn't hear voices again ? Unless you know different.?
 No medication is a miracle cure and Sheila objected to the prescribed dose.
 Why,didn't she want to get better ? Or didn't she want to feel out of control ?

Given there is no evidence that she did, it's simply you speculating and doing to Sheila what you say EP did to Jeremy.
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« Reply #644 on: December 08, 2015, 09:32:PM »
Speculation is what we're all doing because of it being such a crap investigation.