outlandish Theory's

[Jane]

Abdolute unmitigated hogwash.  The police never discharged any weapons on the morning of the White House Farm murders.  The rifle leaning against the windowsill has no significance other than the police set it there while they examined the crime scene, a very normal procedure in any investigation.  As Jane has already pointed out, your attempts at making 3 plus 3 equal 8 are actually making your arguments look silly.

The police officers who attended the scene had nothing to hide, no ulterior motive, no devious plan to blame the entire thing on Jeremy Bamber because we know that when they left the scene they initially wrongly decided it was four murders and a suicide.  Jeremy came out of it smelling of roses, at least until it all came crashing down upon him as a consequence of his own arrogance.

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There has also been some "unmitigated hogwash" surrounding the bible/the alleged suicide note written by Sheila/what was done with it/where it ended up. I thought this piece from CAL would help to clear up the mystery.

"Inspirational quotes were one of June's passions. In 2006, when her blue Bible was returned to her family, they found it crammed with little notes and passages she'd underlined...........................It was this Bible that had been found next to Sheila on the morning of her death.......................The note on stiff card that had slipped between Sheila's shoulders and the stained pages of the book bore June's handwriting in her own words......................."

[mike tesko]

Abdolute unmitigated hogwash. you have nothing constructive to say about this matter. You really are an idiot. The police never discharged any weapons on the morning of the White House Farm murders.how do you know? Who the fuck are you? The facts are that they did fire bullets, that is why they had to change one of the original bullets. You can try to deny it all you want to, but it will never alter the fact that they replaced one of the two bullets used to shoot Sheila with, a bullet which was broken into 15 pieces, and swapped it for a whole one. You don't have to pretend your daft in the head, you really are...  The rifle leaning against the windowsill has no significance Yes it does, peanut brainother than the police set it there while they examined the crime scene, what a fucking idiotic birdbrain you are turning out to be. Can you read? Do you know what it means when a senior police officer testifies on oath, and he was given the option to say that the rifle had been moved from the body, before any photographs were taken, and that some copper or other reset it on Sheila's body. But what did Detective Inspector Ron Cook say in response? He testifified that in this instance, no-one had removed the rifle, and that nobody did, until he did. Do you understand basic English and know a little bit about sentence construction? Cook stated that no-one had moved the rifle from Sheila's body, until after PC Bird took photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33. And guess what Cook testified about doing, and why he had done what 'he' did? He claims that with the gun untouched and unmoved on Sheila's body, until photographs 29 and 30, were taken by PC Bird, so that PC Bird, could photograph the bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of her nightdress. Do you understand what evidence is, on that mickey mouse red forum? Cook, was asked by counsel for the prosecution, "who put the rifle at the bedroom window as shown in Photograph No. 23? Do you know what Cook said whilst giving evidence under oath? He said he had put it there, after he had removed it from Sheila's body, and prior to placing 'that' Rifle there, how he had handed the rifle to Police Inspector Montgomery, to check and make safe. Now, how much clearer does it have to be spelt out in for the morons on the red forum? It's as clear as day, I do not deny that at some point after police shot and killed her, that somebody had indeed replaced the rifle at the same bedroom window, but Ron Cook says not. It is his case that he was the first to remove 'that' rifle from Sheila's body, and it was himself who had placed the rifle at the window, and that PC Bird came along and took photograph 23. But he has lied, he has committed perjury. Do you lot on the red forum know what it means when a witness commits perjury?

a very normal procedure in any investigation. Except that in this case it didn't happen like that according the Detective Inspector Cooks evidence... As Jane has already pointed out, your attempts at making 3 plus 3 equal 8 are actually making your arguments look silly. But not half as silly as your making yourself look...

The police officers who attended the scene had nothing to hide, that's right,, which explains why they deliberately and fraudulently staged Sheila's death scene by bringing the rifle from the window and put it on her body and then took photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, and claimed dishonestly that these photographs had been taken before photograph 23, which clearly shows the rifle at the window prior to it being photographed on Sheila's body...no ulterior motive, says you...no devious plan to blame the entire thing on Jeremy Bamber no, because when they did what they did, they did it to put the responsibility upon Sheila...because we know that when they left the scene they initially wrongly decided it was four murders and a suicide. yes, it was five murders, Sheila killed the other four, and the police killed Sheila... Jeremy came out of it smelling of roses, no, he didn't, he lost his family... at least until it all came crashing down upon him as a consequence of his own arrogance. no, it all came crashing down on him, because the police used the fabricated crime scene photographs, which showed the rifle upon Sheila's body as shown in photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, that were taken after the rifle had already been photographed at the bedroom window (23)...

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[mike tesko]

There has also been some "unmitigated hogwash" the only hogwash is on your part...surrounding the bible/the alleged suicide note written by wrong again, Sheila's suicide note, was recovered from her bedside table (DRH/42), at least get some of the facts rightSheila/what was done with it/where it ended up. I thought this piece from CAL would help to clear up the mystery.There is no mystery, your just trying to create one...

"Inspirational quotes were one of June's passions. In 2006, when her blue Bible was returned to her family, they found it crammed with little notes and passages she'd underlined.none of these were found on Sheila's bedside table, and certainly, no such notes in June Bambers handwriting ended up as part of exhibit DRH/42.............................It was this Bible that had been found next to Sheila on the morning of her death.......................The note on stiff card that had slipped between Sheila's shoulders and the stained pages of the book bore June's handwriting in her own words.......well done..................."

[mike tesko]

So, now that we are all clear, we've got people on this forum who are arguing that it doesn't matter, that police brought the rifle from the window in photograph 23, and put it on Sheila's body, as shown in photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, claiming that the captured images which show the rifle on her body were fabricated, and introduced on the footing that the killer had left Sheila's body with the gun upon it, and that Detective Inspector Ron Cook had handled the gun very carefully wearing no gloves (how eloquent), and the next bits the best, Detective Inspector Ron Cook, claims that it was he who had also moved the position of Sheila's right hand, so that PC Bird (ah, poetry in motion) could photograph bloodied fingermarks, on the front lower part of her nightdress - he obviously falsified this account because after police originally brought the rifle from the window (23) to Sheila's body, in what can best be termed, ' a gauging exercise', they must have replaced the rifle back in its original position at the window, so that PC Bird could take photograph 23 showing the rifle where it was. Therefore, if Detective Inspector Ron Cook needed to photograph those bloody fingermarks, on the front lower part of Sheila's nightdress, what better time to do it, then whilst the rifle was photographed back at the window in 23. Why proceed to the point where the rifle had been put back onto Sheila's body, in photographs, 26, 27, 28, before deciding to photograph the bloodied fingermarks, on the nightdress? It doesn't make any bloody sense. It is a load of old codswallop on Detective Inspector Cooks part. He wasn't trying to get PC Bird to take a photograph of that bloodied fingermark on the nightdress at all. He was trying to conceal it...

Why would Detective Inspector Cook, want PC Bird to photograph these bloodied fingermarks, if as claimed by the police, Sheila's hands and fingers were spotlessly clean?

So, where are these photographs of the bloodied fingermarks, who in gods name was responsible for making them? Sheila, herself? June Bamber? The impressions certainly look effeminate...

[Jane]

Before you start hurling accusations at me, please remember that it isn't I who is making unverifiable claims here. I have merely quoted CAL's word's and what was said in a previous post.

 What I left out -and perhaps should have included- were the words, some of which spring to mind as being part on the alleged suicide note. I can only suggest, that along with all their other alleged mishandlings, the police removed the note -in case it got lost when they moved the Bible- and replaced it when the mishandling was completed. I can see how convenient would be a suicide note but it seems there is no concrete proof that one ever existed.................and why would it if she hadn't planned to commit suicide?

It may well be that "none of these were found on Sheila's bedside table" -That's, right. They weren't. According to CAL, they were found in the Bible- "And certainly, no such notes in June Bamber's handwriting ended up as part of exhibit DRH/42" Which doesn't mean it didn't exist. It would simply be yet another demonstration of how underhanded and corrupt you tell us the police are.

[mike tesko]

They killed her. The police, and not Jeremy Bamber, shot her in 'a gauging exercise' being carried out during 'familiars'. The rifle which was brought to Sheila's body for this purpose had not yet up until that point been checked and made safe. There was therefore a significant level of negligence shown on the part of the police, that makes them culpable for her death...

The alternative was to stage her death scene, and by using fabricated crime scene photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, treat the case as ' four murders and a suicide'. The simple truth is that police framed Sheila for taking her own life, when in actual fact the police themselves had shot and killed her....

[mike tesko]

If Cook and Bird had not fabricated Sheila's death scene by using dishonestly taken crime scene photographs, police officers would almost certainly been charged with culpable murder, in Sheila's case. This motley crew of bent coppers, framed Sheila, for killing herself, so that none of them would have to stand trial for her murder. Then when the relatives started applying the heat, the police found themselves snookered, by their own dishonesty. They had to run a case against Jeremy Bamber by a reliance upon fabricated crime scene photographs, which will now be their undoing...

[mike tesko]

I am a genious...

[mike tesko]

Photographic evidence has now been factored in successfully...

[mike tesko]

Police had to change the bullet that was fired across her throat downstairs in the kitchen - the original bullet had been broken into at least 15 pieces, but had to be exchanged for a whole bullet obtained from the batch of 29 control rounds and test fired a month after the shootings via the anshuzt rifle photographed at the window...

[mike tesko]

Police had to change the bullet that was fired across her throat downstairs in the kitchen - the original bullet had been broken into at least 15 pieces, but had to be exchanged for a whole bullet obtained from the batch of 29 control rounds and test fired a month after the shootings via the anshuzt rifle photographed at the window...

By the time of the trial, police had two bullets which had been fired through the anshuzt rifle, a replacement PV/20 that was not fired via the rifle, until a month after the shootings, an original PV/19 which was the bullet which killed her, after the rifle was brought to her body, for 'gauging purposes', an activity carried out during a routine exercise, known more commonly as, 'familiars'...

[David1819]

It hadn't gone unnoticed - Jeremy was no angle (edited - ha, ha!! He was no ANGEL either  ) and his misdemeanour's are well documented and those are only the ones we know about.

The PCL-R is only as good as the tester.

Yes it had gone unnoticed. All the other misdemeanour's of his are fairly typical of a young man. You would expect a long history of conduct disorder, fire starting, getting expelled, animal torture and being a completely reckness nutcase in general like Patrick Mackay for example

[Jane]

Yes it had gone unnoticed. All the other misdemeanour's of his are fairly typical of a young man. You would expect a long history of conduct disorder, fire starting, getting expelled, animal torture and being a completely reckness nutcase in general like Patrick Mackay for example

There were stories aplenty at the time. The newspapers were full of them. Who knows if they were true? I could recount several that have been told me, MOST of which I believe to be true.....................however, I won't be telling you those. I will though, ask you if you think a young man, with a clean record through childhood and a comfortable lifestyle, SUDDENLY involves himself in drugs -using and selling, not to mention smuggling- breaking into the family business, and thinking up ways to rid himself of his family?

[lookout]

Do we know when June wrote her letter " not to be opened until after her death ".
Would someone mind finding out !!

[Jane]

Do we know when June wrote her letter " not to be opened until after her death ".
Would someone mind finding out !!

I think we've been through this before, Lookout. To the best of my knowledge, the letter wasn't dated.