outlandish Theory's

[Jane]

Essex police knew that (1) there was a call made from the farmhouse to Jeremy's cottage at Goldhanger, and that (2) there was a call to the police from the farmhouse, and further, (3) that there was a call from Jeremy's cottage to Witham police station, and (4)  a call from Jeremy's cottage to PC West...

Additionally, they know that at 03.29am, that a panic alarm which had been fitted at the farmhouse because of threats made against his and his families lives, by two unsavoury characters, one named Bell - had been activated...

 Whilst it has been claimed, ad nauseam, there remains no proof re phone calls -and negatives can't be proved- of any of the above. The "panic alarm" has been done to death. It's -sorry, THEIR, as they have to be installed in every room in the house- existence denied by family, friends of family, and magistrates who attest to having to be responsible for their own security.

[Jane]

In September 1985, when Jeremy was in custody on suspicion of being involved in the murders, they went to his cottage and removed his answer phone and six audio recording tapes, which they examined to see whether the tapes had recorded any information about that call. They reasoned that if Jeremy had hired a hitman then the hitman could have contacted Jeremy at his cottage to confirm the killings had been successfully executed. Alternatively, they looked at what Julie Mugford had told them, might simply have been a smoke screen, and that Jeremy had had some direct involvement in the killing of one or more of the victims, and that he had made the call himself from the farmhouse to his cottage, and that the answer machine might produce evidence supporting this, I.e. that if Jeremy had made a call to himself from the scene to his cottage, that the answer phone might have kicked in. But, no such evidence was found to support such a theory...

But of course, the absence of a recorded call from WHF to Goldhanger proves only that A) no call was made or B) the answer machine was turned off. It doesn't prove Jeremy didn't kill his family.

[Adam]

The answer machine was switched off 

[Adam]

Apart from when someone is out, the most obvious time to have an answering machine on is when when going to bed.

There is a strong chance of not hearing a phone when asleep. Or not waking and getting to the phone in time. So what better time to have the answering machine on ?

It is likely that the answering machine would be permanently on. For obvious reasons. People don't turn their fridge off when it's empty.

The problem Bamber has with the answering machine being on, is that it badly incriminates him. He said himself he was upstairs 'sleeping like a log'. So would not have got to the phone before Neville had left a message.

[Caroline]

But of course, the absence of a recorded call from WHF to Goldhanger proves only that A) no call was made or B) the answer machine was turned off. It doesn't prove Jeremy didn't kill his family.

If there was a call, he made it.

[lookout]

 If Neville managed to phone Jeremy,why didn't Sheila quickly ring the police ?

[Jane]

If Neville managed to phone Jeremy,why didn't Sheila quickly ring the police ?

Oooh lookout!!!! You said "IF Nevill managed to............"

[lookout]

Oooh lookout!!!! You said "IF Nevill managed to............"

Oh my,did I indeed ? Meaning,because others thought he was too injured to do so,I was being facetious or sarcastic-----------take your pick.

[Adam]

If Neville managed to phone Jeremy,why didn't Sheila quickly ring the police ?

Sheila ring the police ? Maybe that will be the next thing on the front page of The Mirror.

[Caroline]

If Neville managed to phone Jeremy,why didn't Sheila quickly ring the police ?

Eh? Those questions belong to two different scenario - if Nevill had called the Jeremy, Sheila is the killer and wouldn't be calling the police would she? If he didn't call Jeremy then Nevill didn't manage to call anyone - which makes your question redundant.

[lookout]

Oooh lookout!!!! You said "IF Nevill managed to............"

If Jeremy said that his father rang him----------then he DID. I'm an optimist as well.

[Jane]

If Jeremy said that his father rang him----------then he DID. I'm an optimist as well.

If Jeremy said his father rang him.............he's a liar. I'm a pragmatist

[Caroline]

If Jeremy said his father rang him.............he's a liar. I'm a pragmatist

If Jeremy said his father rang him.............he's a liar. I'm a realist 

[lookout]

If Jeremy said his father rang him.............he's a liar. I'm a realist 

Sadly for Jeremy,EP removed his phone so we don't know if the messages had been recorded or not as EP aren't likely to admit one way or the other.

[Caroline]

Sadly for Jeremy,EP removed his phone so we don't know if the messages had been recorded or not as EP aren't likely to admit one way or the other.

OH! Now Nevill left a message?  . You do realise if there was a message and EP are sitting on it, that means he was framed and you don't believe he was framed - or do you?