outlandish Theory's

[mike tesko]

You're playing with words here -I your playing with dodgy fabricated evidence. It's quite obvious who staged Sheila Caffells death scene shown in police photographs, why it was the police themselves who moved her body and set the rifle upon her, and misused the images captured in photographs to bamboozle the jury into believing that the position of Sheila's body had remained undisturbed until Ron Cook took it upon himself to remove the rifle from Sheila's body for the first time. Worse still, Cook even testified that he handed the rifle he had taken from the body, to Police Inspector, Ivor Montgomery, who checked to see if the gun was still loaded with any bullets, and make safe, before Cook then placed the rifle at the bedroom window? What a set of lying morons this motley crew of bent coppers were. They are the scum of the earth making up such lies. You can believe what you want, it still doesn't make it right how many followers these bent bobbies have, who turn a blind eye to everything illegal that they do and have done. At the end of the day whenever a bent copper fabricates evidence or lies, it is still a fabrication and a lie, bent coppers, and their die hard supporters are not all immune from being active criminals... guess you've listened to a lot of lawyers. Well, I've listened to a lot of professors, all giving believable, but differing views- and I still say that IF they'd done anything ILLEGAL, it would have been illegal.. there'd have been found a perfectly LEGAL reason for them so doing. there's no such thing as a legal reason for doing something illegal, unless your a criminal... As for the second shot. It wasn't the only fatal shot. yes it was, she did not die from the first shot inflicted downstairs in the kitchen...The first shot would have proved fatal, get your facts right, she did not die from the first shot, and nobody but you is suggesting she did...just not instantly she didn't die at all because of the first shot, how do you work that out then?and as Vanezis said she'd have needed to hold her head up to walk. Professor Knight testified saying something completely different...and more recently has said, that in his opinion, she didn't move after the first shot, Professor Knight stated she could have walked around for up to half and hour after the first shot was inflicted. The fact of the matter is that she collapsed unconscious immediate after the first shot, falling into unconsciousness, which caused the police to report her death as a suicide. She only needed to have moved for a couple of minutes once she regained consciousness downstairs, and made her way upstairs before collapsing on the bed... I guess she flew upstairs. get your facts right, read the police message logs, a dead male, and a dead female found upon entry to the kitchen at 7.37am, a murder, and a suicide, before police had finished searching the downstairs rooms of the farmhouse, a further three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am, you can't keep relying upon the excuse that the police made a mistake about this and that, as though the keystone cops were more capable of carrying out a better investigation. How many mistakes do you people keep saying these bent coppers did, before the penny will eventually drop, and it might dawn on you that you need to substitute the word 'mistake' for the word 'falsified'...I can only believe that IF she'd been shot downstairs, the most she'd have been able to achieve would have been a very slow crawl. not according to the trial testimony of Professor Knight...

I haven't shot myself in the foot at all. maybe not yet, but be careful where you point the muzzle of the gun barrel, you might make a mistake and shoot yourself in the head... The police said they moved the gun to take pictures of the blood stain on her nightdress. you need to get the facts right, since when Detective Inspector Ron Cook spoke about moving anything to enable PC Bird to take photographs, he did not say he moved the gun at all, he said he moved her hand... I wasn't aware that they'd ever tried to cover this up. Cook added during his testimony that nobody had touched or moved the rifle since it was first discovered on her body. He also told the court that the gun had not been checked or made safe, until he had removed the rifle himself from Sheila's body and had given the rifle to Police Inspector Montgomery, to check, make safe. Cook said Montgomery handed him the rifle back after he checked it, and Cook said he then placed the rifle at the window, where PC Bird took photograph 23 showing the rifle leaning against the bedroom window. Cook lied, because photograph 23 which shows the rifle at the window, was taken before the same rifle was moved onto Sheila's body, and photographed.If, by the movement of a rifle, you're accusing the police of "fabricating Sheila's death scene" what other explanation can you offer? I don't think -never mind my foot- you'll have a leg to stand on. you obviously do not have a clue what constitutes the term 'fabricating the evidence'...It remains to be seen if all those present would be willing to stand up in court and admit to their ALLEGED wrong doing. there is nothing alleged about it, its all factual...

[Jane]

Re the pictures. During the 80's my ex -a brilliant photographer- took a series of 10 to make a complete panorama. He achieved exactly that when all 10 were laid together, but if they became mixed up with the other pictures on the roll it was impossible to tell the sequence in which they were taken.

You have taken someone else's word for what transpired, but are they able to prove it beyond a shadow of doubt? It remains to be seen if they're willing to put their money where their mouth is, but for the moment, because your dislike, disdain and distrust of the police is so apparent, I'd feel more inclined to believe what you say(you've been told)if you had more of an open mind regarding them.

[mike tesko]

Wait and see, then eat your words..

[Jane]

Wait and see, then eat your words..

I guess one of us will be doing just that, but at least you'll have a get out clause. You can keep claiming police corruption.

[mike tesko]

Re the pictures. During the 80's my ex -a brilliant photographer- took a series of 10 to make a complete panorama. He achieved exactly that when all 10 were laid together, but if they became mixed up with the other pictures on the roll it was impossible to tell the sequence in which they were taken. Mr Sutherrst would easily have been able to resolve such a mix up...

You have taken someone else's word for what transpired, Photographic negatives establish the sequence in which the rifle was photographed at the bedroom window before police moved the same rifle onto Sheila's body, and then took a series of photographs showing the rifle on her body, which they deliberately introduced as clear proof that Jeremy Bamber had killed his sister, that 'he' put the rifle on his sisters body, not that the police themselves had put the rifle there, which in fact is what did happen but are they able to prove it beyond a shadow of doubt? yes, police put the rifle onto Sheila's body then took photographs showing the rifle there, which they misused during the trial stage, by claiming the images showed exactly how police had found her body with the rifle upon it, unmoved by anyone, until Ron Cook says he removed it from her body. The photographic evidence was misused to help secure these convictions. The police were guilty of placing the rifle on Sheila's body, and only then photographing the scene they themselves had set up... It remains to be seen if they're willing to put their money where their mouth is, but for the moment, because your dislike, disdain and distrust of the police is so apparent, I'd feel more inclined to believe what you say(you've been told)if you had more of an open mind regarding them. the photographic negatives and the sequence with which the photographs were taken, confirming the rifle was photographed at the bedroom window, before police moved 'it' onto Sheila's body, and took the key photographs...

[mike tesko]

How remarkable, with the benefit of hindsight, that none of the firearm officers who attended the trial were called to confirm that the crime scene photographs taken by PC Bird in the main bedroom after 10.17am, confirmed the true position they had left Sheila Caffells body in when most of them left the scene at around 9 O'clock that morning. We now know why, none of them would have been able to say that which Detective Inspector Ron Cook, and Police Constable David Bird both claimed, because by 9 O'clock that morning when the vast majority of the firearm officers left the scene, there had been no rifle at all on Sheila's body, and her body was resting on, the far side of the bed, not on the floor. The most significant feature of all being that at 9 O'clock that morning Sheila had only been shot once, and the rifle which WPC Jeapes saw leaning near the main bedroom window on the grey brick part of the farmhouse, was still resting there until precisely 9.13am, when during a training exercise known as 'familiars', the rifle was brought from the bedroom window after Sheila's body had been taken from the bed and placed on the bedroom floor, and 'it' was positioned upon her body as part of a 'gauging exercise'. The rest is history. Gun went off, killing Sheila who had been mistakenly pronounced dead by the police surgeon, Dr Craig, previously (8.44am)...

[mike tesko]

There is no acceptable excuse for the police to have brought that loaded rifle from the bedroom window to use it in a 'gauging exercise', after offering it to Sheila's body, without someone having checked to see if it was still loaded, or made safe beforehand. 'Negligence', springs to mind...

[mike tesko]

That negligent contribution which resulted in the death of Sheila Caffell, has never been officially investigated (yet). Nobody has been disciplined or prosecuted. This was the motive behind why police fabricated a photographic record which they named, ' THE MASTER COPY ALBUM', to try to throw people off the scent. In one fell swoop police were able to hide 358 photographs they did not want anyone out of their circle of conspirators to see...

[mike tesko]

The reason the police have been able to get away with covering up the true circumstances surrounding Sheila Caffells death in the main bedroom, was because some of the most senior Essex police Detectives were present at the scene when police shot and killed Sheila during a training exercise, which involved use of victims bodies as props, before any photographs were taken...

[mike tesko]

I guess one of us will be doing just that, but at least you'll have a get out clause. You can keep claiming police corruption.

That's because in this particular case, there has been a great deal of it practiced...

It won't be me, for sure...

[mike tesko]

I have very recently received some information about Jeremy's phone call to the police, which should help to settle any dispute about the actual timing when he contacted the police at 03.36am. I am reliably informed that according to a Chelmsford Crown Court Exhibit label, the phone log bearing the time 03.36am, is described as 'The Original Phone Message'...

[mike tesko]

I have very recently received some information about Jeremy's phone call to the police, which should help to settle any dispute about the actual timing when he contacted the police at 03.36am. I am reliably informed that according to a Chelmsford Crown Court Exhibit label, the phone log bearing the time 03.36am, is described as 'The Original Phone Message'...

The other phone log timed 03.26am, was never exhibited...

THE ORIGINAL PHONE MESSAGE

[Jane]

I have very recently received some information about Jeremy's phone call to the police, which should help to settle any dispute about the actual timing when he contacted the police at 03.36am. I am reliably informed that according to a Chelmsford Crown Court Exhibit label, the phone log bearing the time 03.36am, is described as 'The Original Phone Message'...

Mike, it never ceases to amaze me how these titbits of information creep fortuitously from the wood work. I have another for you. Queen Elizabeth 1 was only known as Queen Elizabeth. There was no other until Queen Elizabeth 11 who was NOT a copy of Elizabeth 1, but a person in her own right. Unlike the case of 'The Original Phone Message' where it seems that several copies of the original were made. 'Original Message' in this instant doesn't indicate an entirely other second.

[mike tesko]

Mike, it never ceases to amaze me how these titbits of information creep fortuitously from the wood work. I have another for you. Queen Elizabeth 1 was only known as Queen Elizabeth. There was no other until Queen Elizabeth 11 who was NOT a copy of Elizabeth 1, but a person in her own right. Unlike the case of 'The Original Phone Message' where it seems that several copies of the original were made. 'Original Message' in this instant doesn't indicate an entirely other second.

The document I have received this morning, clearly states, that the phone log message timed at 03.36am is 'THE ORIGINAL PHONE MESSAGE'. So, there it is, in its original format and content. Jeremy called police (PC West) on his second attempt at 03.36am. The other log introduced and which surfaced in 2002, was not physically disclosed during the trial in October 1986. What did happen, was that in one of PC Wests witness statement, he referred to the time of Jeremy's call as having happened at 03.26am. This clearly was either one of two things, (1) it was a typing error on the part of the civilian typist who typed out the witness statement, (2) if PC West dictated the witness statement in question, he was mistaken about the time and got confused because he had contacted the communications office twice in quick succession that morning, once prior to contacting the communications room after his call from Jeremy. How remarkable, that Malcolm Bonnet should produce his own version of PC Wests call to him which he timed as 03.26am, yet he produces (a) no log of the other matter to which PC West contacted him about in the instance before  Jeremy's call, and (b) neither does PC West provide details of that other call including the time he made it, so that a cross reference could be carried out to get to the truth in this matter?

[mike tesko]

All the items which Ann Eaton handed over to the police on the 11th September 1985, were collectively sent to the lab' at Huntingdon, together...

DRB / 3 (?) AE /

DRB / 2 (?) AE /

DRB / 1