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Offline mike tesko

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« Reply #345 on: November 26, 2015, 10:16:PM »
Lie detector test results, confirm what I am saying...
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« Reply #346 on: November 26, 2015, 10:39:PM »
Lie detector test results, confirm what I am saying...

There is no such things as a 'lie detector' - it is a polygraph and it measures 'stress'. Psychopaths don't feel stress in the same way normal people do and many are able to pass the test without a problem.
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« Reply #347 on: November 27, 2015, 07:56:AM »
It seems to me that you are describing Bipolar disorder not schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is controlled quite successfully by medication - which Sheila had in her system. There is also a MASSIVE difference between 'withdrawn' and 'catatonic'!!


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« Reply #348 on: November 27, 2015, 07:56:AM »
There is no such things as a 'lie detector' - it is a polygraph and it measures 'stress'. Psychopaths don't feel stress in the same way normal people do and many are able to pass the test without a problem.
But you and everybody else knew what I meant. It doesn't make any difference really what the test is called, he took the test and passed it with flying colours. When asked if he had killed his family, or been present inside the farmhouse when everyone was shot, he said, "no",  he told the truth. Whether or not a psychopath may be able to pass a 'bugs bunny test' is debatable. But Jeremy Bamber as sure as hell did not put the rifle on his sisters body to give the impression that she had taken her own life, since the police did - as now confirmed by the latest photographic results. Whoever placed that rifle from the bedroom window onto Sheila Caffells body and took a series of photographs for use into misleading everybody about how and where her body had been found in the very first instance, killed her. I guess that rules out Jeremy Bamber  then, whether or not he is a psychopath. Would Ron Cook and David Bird take a 'bugs bunny test' to establish the truth? I doubt it very much...
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« Reply #349 on: November 27, 2015, 10:23:AM »
But you and everybody else knew what I meant. It doesn't make any difference really what the test is called, he took the test and passed it with flying colours. When asked if he had killed his family, or been present inside the farmhouse when everyone was shot, he said, "no",  he told the truth. Whether or not a psychopath may be able to pass a 'bugs bunny test' is debatable. But Jeremy Bamber as sure as hell did not put the rifle on his sisters body to give the impression that she had taken her own life, since the police did - as now confirmed by the latest photographic results. Whoever placed that rifle from the bedroom window onto Sheila Caffells body and took a series of photographs for use into misleading everybody about how and where her body had been found in the very first instance, killed her. I guess that rules out Jeremy Bamber  then, whether or not he is a psychopath. Would Ron Cook and David Bird take a 'bugs bunny test' to establish the truth? I doubt it very much...

Jeremy took the test because he's already been convicted and had nothing to lose. The stress of taking the test in such an instance would be even further reduced and Jeremy is arrogant enough to believe he would pass it anyway.. I don't know if Bird or Cook would take one - but just because they haven't (to our knowledge) doesn't mean they wouldn't.
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« Reply #350 on: November 27, 2015, 10:43:AM »
Jeremy did not tell the police that he thought anybody had been shot, or as the case may be, that anyone had died inside the farmhouse,. Which makes it all the more remarkable, that police took the anshuzt rifle from its resting place against the bedroom window, placed it on Sheila's body once her body was put on the bedroom floor, and staged her death scene, to promote the idea that she had taken her own life. Once police had got props and the body in place, they took photographs. These photographs were never intended to be used in the prosecution of any civilian, but I strongly suspect they were taken just in case any police officer were to be criminally prosecuted over Sheila Caffells death. With her body insitu, and the rifle from the bedroom window fully in her possession, they took a large number of photographs to give the police maximum choice should the need ever arise in the future in defence of any firearm officer, and scenes of crime officer, who might stand accused of killing her. None of the 581 photographs taken in connection with this atrocity were relied upon in the Coroners court process. Only around 223 photographs from this collection of 581 were originally made available to Bambers legal team, with 50 of the latter being made into what became known as 'THE COURT ALBUM', for use in the criminal court system. Of these 50 hand picked prosecution photographs, the following ones all showed various views of Sheila Caffells body, in possession of the anshuzt rifle from its earlier position against the bedroom window, as staged by 'Scenes of Crime officers', after 10.13am, that morning. At around this time, the anshuzt rifle was photographed (23) resting against the bedroom window, in photographs which were taken by PC Bird afterwards (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) the same anshuzt rifle was on her body, positioned in such a deliberate way as to leave no doubt in the mind of anyone who looked at this collection of 8 consecutively taken photographs, that Sheila Caffell had taken her own life. Why was it necessary for Scenes of Crime to stage Sheila Caffells death scene in this manner? The truth can be found in the police message logs and photographic records, and the false photographic schedules that PC Bird was ordered to compile, and the fact that in the beginning a total of 581 photographs had been taken, but 358 of these had to be withheld from Bamber and his legal team because to supply these would establish that police had shot and killed Sheila Caffell. Scenes of Crime staged Sheila Caffells death scene, intending deliberately to make it appear that she had killed herself, in keeping with messages passed from inside the farmhouse after firearm officers broke in - (7.37am) "The body of one dead male, and one dead female, found upon entry", (7.38am) "One dead male, one dead female", (7.42am) "can someone contact the police surgeon, and Coroners officer, regarding two bodies", (7.45am) can you come into the office, police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide", (8.10am) "after a thorough search, a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total"...

A suicide before 7.45am...

Police had not by that stage got upstairs into the main bedroom, or only found two bodies, one of which was male, the other a female. The male persons death described as a murder, the females death described as a suicide...

Remarkable, that the first two bodies reportedly found upon entry in the kitchen, were Ralph Bambers body, and a female. Ralph let's say was murdered, which leaves the death of the female to have been the suicide. It therefore requires investigation into the identity of this female body, the second body to have been found in sequence. If we go by the positions of where the bodies of the five victims ended up once 'Scenes of Crime' staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the floor in the main bedroom, and cross reference these locations with the running commentary of the police message logs (aforementioned), it becomes problematic since according to where the bodies of June and Sheila ended up as a result of Scenes of Crime staging Sheila Caffells death scene in the main bedroom, the firearm officers could not possible have discovered Sheila's body with the anshuzt rifle in her possession, in second place in the pecking order, and neither could the same firearm officers, ever have described June Bambers death as a suicide, yet based upon the location of Junes body by the bedroom door, and Sheila's body hidden from view on the floor on the other side of the bed, then June Bambers body would have been the second body to be found, and Sheila's the third. But according to the police message (8.10am) "a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total". Based on how Scenes of crime staged Sheila's death scene in the bedroom, the three bodies found upstairs could only have been a reference to Sheila on the bedroom floor with the anshuzt rifle in her possession, and her two children, Daniel and Nicholas. How could police have known about a suicide until the third body had been discovered? Reference to two bodies was known about almost immediately after the firearm officers entered the kitchen, and the control room certainly knew that one of these two bodies was a suicide before 7.45am, without disclosing any information as to how at such an early stage, the control room had known that one of the two bodies found by 7.37am, was a suicide, as compared to the discovery of bodies3, 4 and 5, after 8.10am?

Now, the bigger picture starts to emerge. It now becomes possible to see why Scenes of Crime officers staged Sheila Caffells death scene in the main bedroom. They staged her death scene to try to make it look like a suicide, but they 'fucked up' big time, because the body count downstairs and upstairs changed from 2 / 3 to 1 / 4 after Scenes of crime staged Sheila's death scene.  The position of Sheila's supposed suicide altered in the pecking order of where her body was originally 'found', to where it 'ended up' eventually. Her supposed suicide in second position when her body was downstairs, but in third position in the pecking order after her death scene was 'created and photographed'. June Bambers body originally the third body to be found, upstairs with her two grandchildren, changed into second position in the pecking order, once 'Scenes of Crime Officers'staged Sheila's death scene in the same bedroom...

If the anshuzt rifle was resting at the bedroom window (23) before 'it' ended up being photographed (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) in possession of Sheila Caffell on the bedroom floor, and police were happy to proceed on the basis that she 'had' killed herself, my question is this, " how could Sheila have shot herself with use of the rifle, with her body on the bedroom floor, and the rifle at the window when crime Scene photograph No. 23 was taken?
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Re: outlandish Theory's
« Reply #351 on: November 27, 2015, 10:57:AM »
Jeremy took the test because he's already been convicted and had nothing to lose. The stress of taking the test in such an instance would be even further reduced and Jeremy is arrogant enough to believe he would pass it anyway.. I don't know if Bird or Cook would take one - but just because they haven't (to our knowledge) doesn't mean they wouldn't.

Ignoring the fact that 'Scenes of Crime Officers' staged Sheila Caffells death scene, after photograph 23 had been taken clears up once and for all whether Bamber killed his sister you can't argue with the sequence the key crime scene photographs 'were taken' (23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33). Bamber is in the clear, no matter how arrogant he is. He took ' the bugs bunny test' he passed it with flying colours, whether he somehow cheated it, or not. One thing is more certain, and that is that Scenes of Crime officer Ron Cook, and Police Constable David Bird, lied when both testifying during the 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial about the sequence with which key crime scene photographs were taken. But for their dishonesty, it would have become clear 29 years ago, that police and not Jeremy Bamber, had staged the death scene of Sheila Caffell in the main bedroom. Why they did will require a full blown investigation under the supervision of the Home Secretary...
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« Reply #352 on: November 27, 2015, 11:09:AM »
No wonder PS Adams, and other firearm officers, complained to senior officers at a debriefing held at Witham police station on the evening of the tragedy, that upon being shown photographs and a crime scene video taken by Scenes of crime officers which showed the body of Sheila Caffel in her death scene, that the body, the gun and the bible, were in different positions to when they viewed her body before leaving the scene. PS Adams had even stated that when he saw the body before leaving the scene at around 9 am, he had no recollection of the rifle being on the body at that stage...
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« Reply #353 on: November 27, 2015, 11:17:AM »
No wonder PS Adams, and other firearm officers, complained to senior officers at a debriefing held at Witham police station on the evening of the tragedy, that upon being shown photographs and a crime scene video taken by Scenes of crime officers which showed the body of Sheila Caffel in her death scene, that the body, the gun and the bible, were in different positions to when they viewed her body before leaving the scene. PS Adams had even stated that when he saw the body before leaving the scene at around 9 am, he had no recollection of the rifle being on the body at that stage...

The anshuzt rifle photographed (23) at the bedroom window, before Scenes of Crime officers staged Sheila Caffells death scene, (as per photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33), is consistent with what PS Adams has said, to the COLP investigators to the effect that there was no rifle on Sheila Caffells body at 9 O'clock. Linked to this is the issue raised previously that at the time the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced Sheila dead at 8.44am, with what appeared to be a solitary bullet wound to her throat...
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« Reply #354 on: November 27, 2015, 12:32:PM »
There exists in Jeremy Bambers prison file, a photograph of his sister laid on the bed, minus the rifle, prior to police moving her body from the bed to the bedroom floor. The rifle which inflicted the fatal shot underneath her chin which deposited itself in her brain, was at the time this particular photograph was taken, was resting against the main bedroom window...
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« Reply #355 on: November 27, 2015, 01:30:PM »
I thought for a while we had gone off topic - but I guess we haven't  ;D
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« Reply #356 on: November 27, 2015, 02:22:PM »
I have spent decades investigating potential miscarriages of justice'. Those I have helped will know how methodical I am. Those who I have not been able to help, they will all agree that despite my best efforts on their part, that I was unable on their behalf to produce' the goose that laid the golden egg' to vindicate them. I am stating here that in Jeremy Bambers case, that I have found, ' the goose that laid the golden egg', establishing beyond doubt that it was not him who shot and killed his sister. It was not Jeremy Bamber who staged his sisters death scene. The 'Scenes of crime officers' did. Bamber will walk free because of what I have uncovered. Just like all the others I have lended my expertise to...
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« Reply #357 on: November 27, 2015, 07:34:PM »
Because Jeremy Bamber did not shoot and kill his sister, and because he did not stage his sisters death scene, it does not matter in his case whether or not his sisters blood was present inside the silencer, it doesn't matter that there was red paint from the kitchen aga, or scratch marks found on the aga surround - because even if it were all true Jeremy Bamber did not kill his sister, and so the blood and paint evidence proves nothing in his case, neither does it matter who found the silencer, or who hid it. None of it can implicate Jeremy Bamber as the killer. The only people with a motive to make out that Sheila had killed herself were the police...
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« Reply #358 on: November 27, 2015, 07:59:PM »
The anshuzt rifle was the only gun at any of the upstairs windows. No other rifle was found, seen or photographed at any other upstairs window in the grey brick part of the farmhouse. WPC Jeapes was stood in line with the corner of White / Red sides, keeping a looksie of both sides of the grey bricked farmhouse. With the anshuzt resting to the side of the bedroom window as shown in crime scene photograph No. 23, it was the ideal angle to enable WPC Jeapes to see it from her vantage point. By a somewhat bizarre coincidence, this was the very same window where about three hours earlier, PC Myall, PS Bews, and Jeremy, had seen the silhouetted figure...
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« Reply #359 on: November 27, 2015, 11:20:PM »
I have spent decades investigating potential miscarriages of justice'. Those I have helped will know how methodical I am. Those who I have not been able to help, they will all agree that despite my best efforts on their part, that I was unable on their behalf to produce' the goose that laid the golden egg' to vindicate them. I am stating here that in Jeremy Bambers case, that I have found, ' the goose that laid the golden egg', establishing beyond doubt that it was not him who shot and killed his sister. It was not Jeremy Bamber who staged his sisters death scene. The 'Scenes of crime officers' did. Bamber will walk free because of what I have uncovered. Just like all the others I have lended my expertise to...

What a load of old bollocks, just like those videos you uploaded a few days back.  Is that really the best you can do in Bamber's defence???