outlandish Theory's

[guest2181]

[guest2181]

Look at the dates next to Master photo 86 and Master photo 89.

Oh look, 89 was before 86!!! Damn, another claim destroyed.

Tesko tall stories are priceless, but I'm sure we are all too aware of his skullduggery.

[mike tesko]

The numbers do not relate to the order that they were taken in. It's quite clear.

You are basing your arguments by relying on the lies Ron Cook told the court during the trial. The negatives which were in strips of 10, confirm the true sequence with which all the photographs were taken, as confirmed by the COLP investigation into the matter. For the record, they produced a sequential photographic record based on the exact order all the photographs were taken, and photograph N0. 23 was most certainly taken before photographs 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33. This establishes beyond doubt who staged Sheila Caffells death scene, it was the police themselves. So, now that that is sorted out, why did they stage the death scene of one of the five victims?

[mike tesko]

Look at the dates next to Master photo 86 and Master photo 89.

Oh look, 89 was before 86!!! Damn, another claim destroyed.

Tesko tall stories are priceless, but I'm sure we are all too aware of his skullduggery.

Unfortunately not, as you are trying to suggest, I am afraid, I am already over a decade in front of your powers of deduction. There is a third photographic album, known as 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', consisting of 581 sequential photographs (for your information that was 358 additional photographs which Essex police deliberately kept from the defence - locked away inside ACC Peter Simpsons office safe). That matter aside for a moment, other than to say COLP produced an accurate sequence of all the photographs taken at the scene on the 7th August 1985, and 'hey presto', crime scene photograph No. 23, was taken before crime scene photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, so, there it is, all done and dusted - police really did stage Sheila Caffells death scene, and at trial, guess what the blighters did, they only went and blamed poor Jeremy for having done, what they themselves had done..

[mike tesko]

Unfortunately not, as you are trying to suggest, I am afraid, I am already over a decade in front of your powers of deduction. There is a third photographic album, known as 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', consisting of 581 sequential photographs (for your information that was 358 additional photographs which Essex police deliberately kept from the defence - locked away inside ACC Peter Simpsons office safe). That matter aside for a moment, other than to say COLP produced an accurate sequence of all the photographs taken at the scene on the 7th August 1985, and 'hey presto', crime scene photograph No. 23, was taken before crime scene photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, so, there it is, all done and dusted - police really did stage Sheila Caffells death scene, and at trial, guess what the blighters did, they only went and blamed poor Jeremy for having done, what they themselves had done..

If the person, or the people who staged Sheila Caffells death scene, were responsible for her death, then, 'hey presto', the police killed her...

[mike tesko]

Look at the dates next to Master photo 86 and Master photo 89.

Oh look, 89 was before 86!!! Damn, another claim destroyed.

Tesko tall stories are priceless, but I'm sure we are all too aware of his skullduggery.

I notice how you missed out the all important 1st page, which shows the true sequence in which photographs 23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33, were taken when compared against the photographs in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM'...

[guest2181]

I notice how you missed out the all important 1st page, which shows the true sequence in which photographs 23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33, were taken when compared against the photographs in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM'...

Ahh yes, page 1 is in the correct order, but the other pages aren't.  Silly me.

Well, of course were not including photographs 4, 6 & 8, which were taken after photograph 9.

The numbers do not appear in chronological order. In contrast to your motives, the list you posted actually proves the opposite of what you are deceitfully claiming.

It's actually quite funny. I certainly wouldn't describe you as highly intelligent and cunning like you said your presiding judge did. I'd simply plum for delusional and crass.

[mike tesko]

Ahh yes, page 1 is in the correct order, but the other pages aren't.  ;D Silly me.

Well, of course were not including photographs 4, 6 & 8, which were taken after photograph 9.

The numbers do not appear in chronological order. In contrast to your motives, the list you posted actually proves the opposite of what you are deceitfully claiming.

It's actually quite funny. I certainly wouldn't describe you as highly intelligent and cunning like you said your presiding judge did. I'd simply plum for delusional and crass.

PC Bird (SOCO) created this schedule to try and conceal for the fact that 581 photographs had been taken, instead of the 223 linked to the so called, 'MASTER COPY ALBUM'. It was Essex polices way of hiding a further 358 photographs. You are not telling me anything I don't already know about PC Birds schedule. The chief principle which you deliberately choose to ignore when referring to the schedule, is that all the photographs taken on the 7th August 1985, fall in a continuous sequence, as do the photographs taken on any other specified date...

[guest2181]

PC Bird (SOCO) created this schedule to try and conceal for the fact that 581 photographs had been taken, instead of the 223 linked to the so called, 'MASTER COPY ALBUM'. It was Essex polices way of hiding a further 358 photographs. You are not telling me anything I don't already know about PC Birds schedule. The chief principle which you deliberately choose to ignore when referring to the schedule, is that all the photographs taken on the 7th August 1985, fall in a continuous sequence, as do the photographs taken on any other specified date...

No they don't, and it wouldn't make any difference even if they did. The photographs are not numbered in chronological order, either by their date or indeed their time on any particular date.

Not only does the schedule show this to be the case, but we also have court transcriptions from Cook who confirms that this is the case.

Of course, everybody is lying, apart from Mr Teskowski. I would suggest that the very opposite would be a  more accurate description.

Nice try sunshine. 

[mike tesko]

No they don't, and it wouldn't make any difference even if they did. The photographs are not numbered in chronological order, either by their date or indeed their time on any particular date.

Not only does the schedule show this to be the case, but we also have court transcriptions from Cook who confirms that this is the case.

Of course, everybody is lying, apart from Mr Teskowski. I would suggest that the very opposite would be a  more accurate description.

Nice try sunshine.  ::)

Yes they do:-

All the photographs listed in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM, taken on the 7th August 1985, continue in sequence, as do photographs taken on the 8th August 1985, 8th September 1985, 10th September 1985, 11th September 1985, 12th September 1985, 14th September 1985, 17th September 1985, 20th September 1985, 23rd September 1985, 1st October 1985, and the 26th November 1985. All the photographs listed in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', taken on the 7th August 1985, are numbered in a sequence, that is interrupted by the method PC Bird adopted when he created the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' designed to conceal the existence of a further 358 photographs Essex police  did not want anyone to see. What PC Bird did, was select all the photographs he was going to put in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', by copying them that he chose from the 581 photographs (SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM) kept under lock and key in ACC Peter Simpsons office safe, and creating a false photographic record (MASTER COPY ALBUM), numbering them randomly in batches which he had chosen out of sequence. Hence why, the photographs listed as in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', although numbered consecutively 1 to 223, were not in date sequence. Originally, there would have been 581 photographs all in numbered sequence from 1 to 581, all in date sequence, in the 'SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM'...

What COLP did was source the origin of the 50 'COURT ALBUM' photographs as sequenced by reference to the consecutively listed, and dated 581, photographs in the original ' SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM'. Years later, Mr Sutherst gained access to the original photograph negatives, and taking into account the testimony of Cook and Bird during the trial, the schedules (copies of which I have posted up), and dated witness statements, it can now be emphatically proven that the anshuzt rifle was photographed resting against the main bedroom window in 'COURT ALBUM' photo' No. 23 / 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' photo' No. 59, prior to PC Bird taking the series of crime scene photographs showing the same rifle, on Sheila Caffells body, in 'COURT ALBUM' No. 26 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 64, 'COURT ALBUM' No. 27 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 68, 'COURT ALBUM' No. 28 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 68A, 'COURT ALBUM' No. 29 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 69, 'COURT ALBUM' No. 30 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 70, 'COURT ALBUM' No. 31 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 71, 'COURT ALBUM' No. 32 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 72, and 'COURT ALBUM' No. 33 / 'MASTER COPY' No. 73...

Here are all the photographs taken on the 7th August 1985:-

[mike tesko]

Date, when PC Bird completed the task of producing the photographic schedule, showing 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', photo' numbers, and 'COURT ALBUM' numbers. By producing this schedule Scenes of Crime were able to conceal 358 photographs which they did not want anyone to see...

[mike tesko]

Photographs 29 and 30:-

[mike tesko]

Have a look at these photographs 27, and 28, in comparison to the position of the rifle and bloodstain on nightdress (photo's 29 and 30), against two more crime scene photographs, taken afterwards, 32, and 33...  Seems to me, like Ron Cook did not move Sheila's right hand so that PC Bird could photograph the bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's nightdress. It looks to me like the hand was moved to try to conceal the bloodied finger marks, after the rifle was brought from the bedroom window (23) and placed on the body...

Bingo?

[notsure]

Why would it be a different story? There is no implication that the relatives had anything to do with the murders. The phone call makes it either Jeremy or Sheila, Sheila couldn't have done it so that leaves Jeremy. They wouldn't be the first relatives to inherit by default.

i wasnt suggesting the family had anything to do with the murders caroline. I am suggesting that they knew what would happen regarding there land money etc if jb was found innocent.

You say shiela couldnt have done it but imo it isnt or wasnt impossible that she did it.

all a matter of how we interpret what we have available on here.

were any of the posters on this forum at the trial do you know?

[mike tesko]

The sequence with which photographic negatives were taken relating to crime scene photographs, 23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, resolves all the confusion - police staged Sheila Caffells death scene, Jeremy Bamber got blamed for doing what police had done. Bottom line, is if person or people who staged Sheila's  death scene, killed her, then Jeremy has to be absolved completely from being involved in his sisters death...