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Offline Jane

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« Reply #315 on: November 25, 2015, 08:55:PM »
no love, I am not lying...

Is that "I'm not lying" bearing in mind that you weren't present when any of this happened, so for a man who has no faith in our legal system you're putting a remarkable amount of faith in those who were either part of it at the time OR knew someone who was, who passed the story to them,................................ OR "I'm not making up this scenario" which is rather different from lying?

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« Reply #316 on: November 25, 2015, 09:12:PM »
Is that "I'm not lying" bearing in mind that you weren't present when any of this happened, so for a man who has no faith in our legal system you're putting a remarkable amount of faith in those who were either part of it at the time OR knew someone who was, who passed the story to them,................................ OR "I'm not making up this scenario" which is rather different from lying?

Read the facts in the transcripts from the trial, as spoken by Detective Inspector Ron Cook, and  Police Constable, David  Bird...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #317 on: November 25, 2015, 10:44:PM »
The rifle was on Sheila, PC Bird took a photo. (E)

When PC Bird then returned to the bedroom to take photo's the rifle had been removed. (M)

Nothing more sinister than that.


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« Reply #318 on: November 25, 2015, 11:35:PM »
As further evidence of the rifle on Sheila being photographed and then removed, then photographed leaning against the wall.

The truth.




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« Reply #319 on: November 25, 2015, 11:41:PM »
Am I making up this, scenario?

You are attempting to pull wool over folks eyes , yes.

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« Reply #320 on: November 26, 2015, 05:56:AM »
It never ceases to amaze me how some people ignore the evidence. What these people need to do is get the facts right. Firstly, PC David Bird, and DI Ron Cook, are low life criminals in uniform. It doesn't matter how many witness statements they made, or didn't make. It doesn't matter what they said when both testified during the trial. These two criminals in uniform are clearly exposed as wrongdoers by the sequence with which crime scene photographs were taken. Let me address the 'now known' facts, the truth of which was deliberately altered during the trial, to prevent the court, the defence, the jury and the general public from finding out the 'truth' about who shot Bambers sister, and who had in fact positioned the rifle on Bambers sisters body to make it look like she had taken her own life. The crime scene photograph No.'s, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, all show the anshuzt rifle upon Sheila Caffells body. Crime scene photograph No. 23, on the other hand, shows the same rifle resting against the window frame of the main bedroom. Now, during the trial the criminals Cook and Bird, deceived the court into believing that the 8 photographs which show the rifle upon Sheila Caffells body, had been taken before crime scene photograph No. 23 which shows the same rifle resting against the window frame in the same bedroom. Cook gave sworn testimony stating that the photograph (23) showing the rifle at the bedroom window, was taken after the other 8 photographs which showed 'that' rifle upon Sheila Caffells body. Cook swore on his oath that two of these photographs showed movement of Sheila's hand, which he said he was responsible for moving, because he said he wanted PC Bird to photograph bloodied fingermarks beneath it. Cook then went on to say that he had removed the rifle, handed it to PI Montgomery to check to see if it was still loaded, being handed it back, and then Cook himself placing the anshuzt rifle at the bedroom window, where he said PC Bird had subsequently taken photograph 23...

He lied...

PC Bird gave a detailed explanation ( during his own testimony at the trial) about what he says he had taken this collection of 9 crime scene photographs in. He produced a short witness statement on the day he gave his testimony, purporting to show the various locations he had taken photographs in at the scene that morning. This witness statement was just a prop to support the lies both Cook and himself had invented around the sequence with which this collection of 9 photographs had been taken in. Cook and Bird stated the sequence that these 9 crime scene photographs had been taken in was as follows; 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, followed by 23...

They both reiterated the fact that the body with the rifle upon it had been photographed before the rifle was subsequently photographed at the bedroom window. Cook the criminal had he said, removed it from the victims body and placed it at the bedroom window - he lied. PC Bird, well in addition to lying about the sequence with which he claimed to have taken these 9 key crime scene photographs in, when he was asked about photograph 23, and the rifle shown to be resting against the bedroom window, how did 'that' rifle get there, and who had placed it there? He responded by saying, "I do not know"...
« Last Edit: November 26, 2015, 06:02:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #321 on: November 26, 2015, 06:04:AM »
The true sequence in which these 9 key photographs were in fact taken, was as follows (confirmed by the COLP investigation, 1991 / 1992):-

23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32...
« Last Edit: November 26, 2015, 06:08:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #322 on: November 26, 2015, 06:19:AM »
The anshuzt rifle (23) was resting against the bedroom window in the main bedroom, before it was photographed ( 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32) on Sheila Caffells body. What this means ladies and gentlemen, is that it was the police themselves who staged Sheila Caffells death scene. The police fabricated Bambers sisters death scene and then photographed it to make it look like she had killed herself...

Now, please, don't insult my intelligence by making out you don't understand the full implications of this?

In 1988, when I was sentenced to a total of 52 years, the judge said the following about me, " THE PICTURE I HAVE OF YOU, IS OF A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, CUNNING, RESOURCEFUL, AND AN ILLUSIVE CROOK" - He lied. But which parts do you think he lied about, none of it, all of it, the bit about me being highly intelligent, cunning, resourceful and illusive, or me being a crook?

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #323 on: November 26, 2015, 06:27:AM »
The anshuzt rifle (23) was resting against the bedroom window in the main bedroom, before it was photographed ( 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32) on Sheila Caffells body. What this means ladies and gentlemen, is that it was the police themselves who staged Sheila Caffells death scene. The police fabricated Bambers sisters death scene and then photographed it to make it look like she had killed herself...

Now, please, don't insult my intelligence by making out you don't understand the full implications of this?

In 1988, when I was sentenced to a total of 52 years, the judge said the following about me, " THE PICTURE I HAVE OF YOU, IS OF A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, CUNNING, RESOURCEFUL, AND AN ILLUSIVE CROOK" - He lied. But which parts do you think he lied about, none of it, all of it, the bit about me being highly intelligent, cunning, resourceful and illusive, or me being a crook?

Utter rubbish!

The sequential numbers of the photographs refer to the order they were entered as exhibits in the album. It does not refer to the order they were taken in. As you know very well.

What do you hope to achieve by making things up? It's a bit weird.

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« Reply #324 on: November 26, 2015, 06:29:AM »
So, on the basis that the police (and not Jeremy Bamber) arranged Sheila Caffells death scene, and the indisputable fact that Scenes of Crime officers at the heart of the investigation, fabricated the photographic evidence used to help convict Jeremy Bamber as the killer, it raises other questions and issues. If whoever staged the death scene (shown in crime scene photographs) killed Sheila Caffell, then the killer could not possibly be Jeremy Bamber...

Here is part of the evidence bundle which proves that crime scene photograph No. 23 was taken before the other crime scene photographs. No.'s 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32:-
« Last Edit: November 26, 2015, 07:13:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #325 on: November 26, 2015, 07:17:AM »
[quote author=mike tesko link=topic=7129.msg338071#msg338071 date=14485187

In 1988, when I was sentenced to a total of 52 years, the judge said the following about me, " THE PICTURE I HAVE OF YOU, IS OF A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, CUNNING, RESOURCEFUL, AND AN ILLUSIVE CROOK" - He lied. But which parts do you think he lied about, none of it, all of it, the bit about me being highly intelligent, cunning, resourceful and illusive, or me being a crook?
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Gracious Heavens!  That's some challenge to be faced with first thing in the morning.  Is it a rhetorical question?

I'd LOVE to know what it was alleged you'd done to win you 52 years when Jeremy only got (albeit, a minimum of) 25 years for 5 murders!!!!!!

You say the judge lied.  Might he simply have been mistaken?  In fairness to him, he does say "The picture I have of you............" which suggests he may have been reading something said by others.  It's obvious that you were neither "resourceful and illusive" or you wouldn't have been standing in the dock.  Could he have been wrong about you being "a crook"?   I know nothing of your history but it occurs to me that 52 years would be an inordinately lengthy term of imprisonment for a first offence.  Intelligence is found on every level from technical to academic.  I don't believe it's possible to measure one against the other.

 I think I've answered you as fairly as the question allowed for.  My apologies if this wasn't the answer you were looking for.


 

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« Reply #326 on: November 26, 2015, 07:25:AM »
Utter rubbish!

The sequential numbers of the photographs refer to the order they were entered as exhibits in the album. It does not refer to the order they were taken in. As you know very well.

What do you hope to achieve by making things up? It's a bit weird.

The evidence which establishes the order in which these 9 key photographs were taken is now available, something which was not available to the defence during the trial. Based on the newly available evidence, we will see in due course, who is talking utter rubbish (I know its not me). Whether you and the relatives like it or not, the fact of the matter is that the anshuzt rifle 'was' photographed resting against the bedroom window, before PC Bird photographed the same rifle on Sheila's body. How could this have happened if photographs 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, purport to show the anshuzt rifle on Bambers sisters body, untouched and unmoved (supposedly) since when firearms officers supposedly found the body there in the bedroom over two hours earlier? Are you trying to deny it must have been the police who staged Sheila's death scene? If you are you have got to be kidding. No-one else but the police could have put that rifle on her body so that PC Bird could photograph it there, with the intention of showing how she had killed herself. So, why aren't you and the relatives kicking off about this?

Do you think its legal and alright to fabricate and falsify a persons death scene, and blame an innocent person (Jeremy Bamber) for setting the death scene with a view to fooling police into accepting she had taken her own life?
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« Reply #327 on: November 26, 2015, 07:35:AM »
Here are some of the key photographs in the police Conspiracy, photo's, 23, 28, 32 and 33:-
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« Reply #328 on: November 26, 2015, 07:37:AM »
As further evidence of the rifle on Sheila being photographed and then removed, then photographed leaning against the wall.

The truth.





The numbers do not relate to the order that they were taken in. It's quite clear.

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« Reply #329 on: November 26, 2015, 07:39:AM »
Rifle which is said to have shot and killed Sheila Caffell, is clearly resting against the bedroom window (23) before police photograph it on her body (28, 32 and 33)...

Please explain how Jeremy was able to stage his sisters body with the gun to fool police into accepting that she killed herself...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...