outlandish Theory's

[Steve_uk]

what is truth what do we know about this case to be true .

we know that jm made a call to the police and was told to meet them at the farm.

We know that the when the forensic photos were taken the scene had been re staged as per the photos with the gun in different positions,

We know the silencer was not fount at the scene by the police

we know jm was bitter about being cheated on by JM

We know Sheila had serious mental health issues.

We know there were certain officers whom have admitted that they took a dislike to JB straight away

everything else is circumstantial  The logs and statements are so unclear any recordings of the calls destroyed evidence withheld from the defense there is a state ment that has one of the pages clearly retyped on a different typewriter.

There are very few actual truths in the case is about creating a story to try and fit the circumstances. And however much sense it makes it certainly not based on fact or truth.

We also know that Jeremy Bamber telephoned his girlfriend three times in the space of several hours. Why? Call Two gives him knowledge of the shootings irrespective of whether his father telephoned him or not. We know that at this stage Julie was very much part of his plans as he wanted her by his side. We know that Sheila had mobility issues with simple tasks such as pouring tea into a cup,yet the shots to Nevill were made with precision to the head. Look at the front of Sheila's nightie,which tells me she wasn't involved in any physical contact that morning.

[Caroline]

what is truth what do we know about this case to be true .

we know that jm made a call to the police and was told to meet them at the farm. You mean JB?

We know that the when the forensic photos were taken the scene had been re staged as per the photos with the gun in different positions, No we don't

We know the silencer was not fount at the scene by the police Why would it be? They weren't looking for one!

we know jm was bitter about being cheated on by JM - I guess you mean JB again?

We know Sheila had serious mental health issues. For which she was being medicated

We know there were certain officers whom have admitted that they took a dislike to JB straight away Because they thought he was acting suspicious

everything else is circumstantial  The logs and statements are so unclear any recordings of the calls destroyed evidence withheld from the defense there is a state ment that has one of the pages clearly retyped on a different typewriter.The logs are clear, people here and the OS are simply trying to pass off errors as something more sinister which is just silly.

There are very few actual truths in the case is about creating a story to try and fit the circumstances. And however much sense it makes it certainly not based on fact or truth. Only to those trying to make a conspiracy theory which doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[lebaleb]

As I think I have shown conclusively, medication is not a guarantee against relapse.

[Jane]

As I think I have shown conclusively, medication is not a guarantee against relapse.

OK. So we release every person who has been convicted whilst on medication because they MAY have relapsed. Never mind if they had not.

[Caroline]

As I think I have shown conclusively, medication is not a guarantee against relapse.

It makes relapse less likely. Of course it's awfully coincidental that Sheila would relapse on the very night Jeremy left the rifle out - the rifle that he never used to shoot rabbits but left out anyway!

[lebaleb]

It makes relapse less likely. Of course it's awfully coincidental that Sheila would relapse on the very night Jeremy left the rifle out - the rifle that he never used to shoot rabbits but left out anyway!

If Jeremy hadn't left out the rifle out there was an arsenal of other weapons easily accessible on any night.

[lookout]

Sheila's mental health had deteriorated as has been said, which meant that her condition fluctuated between feelings of elation,as seen when she'd been spotted tripping through the fields with the twins,to feelings of anger and frustration ( thumping her fists on walls ) Is this normal ? No it isn't and the patient poses a threat against themselves and others. 

[Caroline]

If Jeremy hadn't left out the rifle out there was an arsenal of other weapons easily accessible on any night.

And yet it was ONLY on the night that Jeremy left out the rifle that Sheila coincidentally 'went crazy' 

[Caroline]

Sheila's mental health had deteriorated as has been said, which meant that her condition fluctuated between feelings of elation,as seen when she'd been spotted tripping through the fields with the twins,to feelings of anger and frustration ( thumping her fists on walls ) Is this normal ? No it isn't and the patient poses a threat against themselves and others.

She was seen skipping along with the twins (allegedly) but no one mentioned her banging fists that weekend. In fact most people commented on her being quiet and withdrawn. It just suits a few to pretend her medication wasn't working when the descriptions of her behaviour point to the opposite.

[Jane]

Sheila's mental health had deteriorated as has been said, which meant that her condition fluctuated between feelings of elation,as seen when she'd been spotted tripping through the fields with the twins,to feelings of anger and frustration ( thumping her fists on walls ) Is this normal ? No it isn't and the patient poses a threat against themselves and others.

You seem to be suggesting that, over the last few days of her life, Sheila ran the entire gamut of emotions from one end of the spectrum to the other. I don't believe this to have been the case and much of what has been said of her behaviour during that period has been disproved.

[mike tesko]

The rifle that fired the fatal bullet (PV/19) was photographed at the bedroom window, (crime scene photograph No. 23), before police placed 'it' on Sheila's body, as per crime scene photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, etc - Detective Inspector Ron Cook, testified during the trial, claiming it was he who removed the anshuzt rifle from Sheila's body, and placed it against the bedroom window. But the truth of the matter, is that the anshuzt rifle was leaning against the bedroom window before police put it on the body. Photograph No. 23 which shows the anshuzt rifle leaning at the window, before police photographed 'it' on Sheila's body. Therefore the rifle shown resting against the window, could not have been placed at the bedroom window, by Detective Inspector Ron Cook. Either it had been resting against the bedroom window all along, or another officer had placed it back there after it had discharged the fatal shot (PV/19) which had killed Sheila. According to Cook, once he removed the anshuzt rifle from Sheila's body, he handed the rifle to Inspector Montgomery, who checked and made it safe, before he handed it back to Cook who inturn says he placed the rifle at the bedroom window. What this tells us, is that despite police having already shot and killed Sheila whilst introducing a loaded rifle to her body for gauging purposes, police did not learn from their mistake, and reintroduced a rifle back onto Sheila's body, after she already had two bullet wounds in her neck. The stark truth of the matter is that the crime scene photographs depict the scene with the anshuzt rifle upon Sheila's body, under her control, was staged by SOCO's in charged of the crime scene...

Sheila's illness has got nothing to do with why police fabricated the crime scene photographic records, in September 1985, to frame Bamber...

[Caroline]

You seem to be suggesting that, over the last few days of her life, Sheila ran the entire gamut of emotions from one end of the spectrum to the other. I don't believe this to have been the case and much of what has been said of her behaviour during that period has been disproved.

It wasn't 

[guest154]

Sheila's mental health had deteriorated as has been said, which meant that her condition fluctuated between feelings of elation,as seen when she'd been spotted tripping through the fields with the twins,to feelings of anger and frustration ( thumping her fists on walls ) Is this normal ? No it isn't and the patient poses a threat against themselves and others.

Not sure who you are describing there, Lookout. But that's not a clear and honest view of how Sheila was described by those who were there at the time, far from it actually.

[lebaleb]

And yet it was ONLY on the night that Jeremy left out the rifle that Sheila coincidentally 'went crazy' 

Pure speculation. Please post the source where it is said that Jeremy had never left the rifle out before. Or that Sheila hadn't had a psychotic episode on one of those occasions.

[lebaleb]

Not sure who you are describing there, Lookout. But that's not a clear and honest view of how Sheila was described by those who were there at the time, far from it actually.

A catatonic phase is a prelude to the manic phase of a psychotic episode. CC, PB, Jeremy all described Sheila as withdrawn.