outlandish Theory's

[Jane]

Whether Jeremy is guilty or not, it doesn't make Sheila a saint imo.
She had huge problems and is known to have smoked cannabis on a regular basis and various people who knew her have suggested she took harder drugs. It seems she had money problems hence the food delivered to her from June. Why did June take the food rather than send her money? Maybe because she knew money wouldn't go on food, I'm sure June had more to do than travel up to London each week but she did it to ensure sheila ate.
I am not attacking or bad mouthing Sheila but she did appear to be chaotic and out of control and many PS's use drugs because they believe it makes them better ie. They self medicate.
Did Sheila have a huge drug debt? She may have done, drugs are expensive and over years you could build up a huge bill. Where did £40,000 come from anyway, who first mentioned it?
Even if not so huge she may very well have had a debt, I have personal experience of someone regularly taking drugs, it's easy to build up a bill of £400 a month and easy enough to double that, maybe the debt was £4000 not £40,000?

I agree entirely that Sheila was no saint. In fact I think she may have been all you have said of her, but I think you'll agree that she'd have had cannabis coming out of her ears had she run up a debt that size. She'd admitted to doing coke, only socially. IF there had been a drugs debt, I'm far more inclined to believe it would have been £4000 as opposed to £40,000 and even if it was, it doesn't mean she slaughtered her family.

[Jan]

He'd made his own deal - for £40,000.00 - perhaps the jury should have known that?

The newspapers should not have discussed  deals with anyone involved in the case .

But I don't think any deal would have changed anything Jeremy had said .

Julie? Who knows . If she had been thinking of changing her evidence , could the money have spurred her on to stick to her story . A few hours in court then she had enough to buy a flat?

There are obvious reasons why it is not allowed for the press to do this  ( not that they care)

[Caroline]

The newspapers should not have discussed  deals with anyone involved in the case .

But I don't think any deal would have changed anything Jeremy had said .

Julie? Who knows . If she had been thinking of changing her evidence , could the money have spurred her on to stick to her story . A few hours in court then she had enough to buy a flat?

There are obvious reasons why it is not allowed for the press to do this  ( not that they care)

That's beside the point, people crow about Julie's deal and forget that Jeremy had one too. I doubt Jeremy would have changed his story - although he could have done because of double jeopardy. Not sure how he'd fair after the law was changed though.

[maggie]

I agree entirely that Sheila was no saint. In fact I think she may have been all you have said of her, but I think you'll agree that she'd have had cannabis coming out of her ears had she run up a debt that size. She'd admitted to doing coke, only socially. IF there had been a drugs debt, I'm far more inclined to believe it would have been £4000 as opposed to £40,000 and even if it was, it doesn't mean she slaughtered her family.

I agree Jane, it doesn't mean she killed anyone. Maybe I am cynical but in my experience anyone who admits doing coke 'only socially'
Isn't necessarily telling the truth. One side effect of taking drugs on a regular basis is an inability to admit it even to yourself never mind anyone else.
It was just an observation that where drugs are involved often things are not as they may seem and we should maybe be aware of this, who ever is taking them. 
IMO, unless the drugs have a connection with the killings I would think it's irrelevant and Sheila's way of life is not particularly our business except it may explain the worry and been a financial drain on June and Neville. I believe she was a dreadful worry to them if not the only one, whatever their mistakes they certainly paid dearly for making them.

[Jane]

I agree Jane, it doesn't mean she killed anyone. Maybe I am cynical but in my experience anyone who admits doing coke 'only socially'
Isn't necessarily telling the truth. One side effect of taking drugs on a regular basis is an inability to admit it even to yourself never mind anyone else.
It was just an observation that where drugs are involved often things are not as they may seem and we should maybe be aware of this, who ever is taking them. 
IMO, unless the drugs have a connection with the killings I would think it's irrelevant and Sheila's way of life is not particularly our business except it may explain the worry and been a financial drain on June and Neville. I believe she was a dreadful worry to them if not the only one, whatever their mistakes they certainly paid dearly for making them.

I think her life was as tragic as her death, but I also believe it to have been an entirely separate issue from the case.

[maggie]

I think her life was as tragic as her death, but I also believe it to have been an entirely separate issue from the case.

I think you are probably right but then what of Jeremy, how heavy was his drug intake?    Did he smoke crack or sniff coke heavily? Cocaine can cause violent and , dangerous psychotic behaviour.....

[Jane]

I think you are probably right but then what of Jeremy, how heavy was his drug intake?    Did he smoke crack or sniff coke heavily? Cocaine can cause violent and , dangerous psychotic behaviour.....

I think it unlikely that he used anything in quantity -I know Julie said at one time he was doing cannabis all the time, but that's relative-  or he could have used it as an excuse as to why he'd reacted so slowly to his father's call.

[lookout]

There again,Claire Powell contradicted herself by saying that Sheila " had only tried drugs " but never took them as people made out that she did ?

[lookout]

Then you have the likes of Wilkes who'd said that she'd ran up a drug debt. So did Sheila take drugs or didn't she ? We DON'T know either way do we ?

[lookout]

There was only a trace of cannabis found in her system.Hardly enough to prompt an attack of any sort if she wasn't a drug-taker.

[lookout]

So in ALL the books that have been written about Sheila taking drugs have been lies.

[Jane]

There again,Claire Powell contradicted herself by saying that Sheila " had only tried drugs " but never took them as people made out that she did ?

Well, Lookout, as I said earlier of Julie's assertion that Jeremy was doing cannabis "all the time", it's relative. She had no idea, for example, what he did when he wasn't in her company and as being in her company may have been social, it COULD have been the only time he did it. Something tells me that he probably wasn't the type who would want to lose control.

There's a vast chasm between Sheila having "only tried drugs" and racking up a £40,000 debt for them. I suspect, like much else, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[Jane]

There was only a trace of cannabis found in her system.Hardly enough to prompt an attack of any sort if she wasn't a drug-taker.

WHO has suggested that cannabis prompted an attack?

[Jane]

So in ALL the books that have been written about Sheila taking drugs have been lies.

Why do you have to polarize everything. There DOES exist a middle road and you CAN use it.

[guest154]

So in ALL the books that have been written about Sheila taking drugs have been lies.

No one here is saying that she never took/tried drugs. But I think all are in agreement (other than yourself) that a £40k drug debt for Sheila is highly unlikely and certainly has not been proven and no evidence has ever been seen that

Jeremy found a cheque stub.
June paid off anything for Sheila for the sum of 40k
Sheila was a heavy enough user to ever get even close to that debt.