Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?

[Caroline]

The evidence is that June was shot 8 times and Neville 4 times in the bedroom. Neville shot 3 times in the kitchen. Sheila was then shot twice in the main bedroom. The twins shot 8 times in there bedroom. The bullet casing show this.

None of Neville's blood was in the main bedroom as he was shot while moving. So no  time for the blood to leak onto the floor.

No, that's the official line - there is no evidence that Nevill was shot in the main bedroom (no blood and no casings on his side of the bed), that's simply an assumption. The bullet casing show that the shooter was standing in the main bedroom NOT that Nevill was. You are simply trying to play Scipio and not doing very well. 

[Jan]

The evidence is that June was shot 8 times and Neville 4 times in the bedroom. Neville shot 3 times in the kitchen. Sheila was then shot twice in the main bedroom. The twins shot 8 times in there bedroom. The bullet casing show this.

None of Neville's blood was in the main bedroom as he was shot while moving. So no  time for the blood to leak onto the floor.

excuse me ? Source for your last claim that no time for the blood to leak on the floor?

Also can you tell me where the shooter was standing when he was shot ?

[Jane]

The evidence is that June was shot 8 times and Neville 4 times in the bedroom. Neville shot 3 times in the kitchen. Sheila was then shot twice in the main bedroom. The twins shot 8 times in there bedroom. The bullet casing show this.

None of Neville's blood was in the main bedroom as he was shot while moving. So no  time for the blood to leak onto the floor.

In your opinion. Of course, there remains the question of how Nevill managed to escape passed Jeremy -who had a gun- and out of the door which Jeremy was possibly blocking.

[Jan]

I know why Adam wont accept that Sheila was in that bedroom - because he can not claim she would have slept through her mother being shot next to her and just sit there waiting to be shot.

[Jane]

None of Neville's blood was in the main bedroom as he was shot while moving. So no  time for the blood to leak onto the floor.

This looks like "Making it up as you go" time.

[maggie]

yes I was one of the ones who suggested it was a possibility . But I don't think any of us claimed 100% that is what happened.The reports about where Neville was shot do seem to vary - I don't think we know whether he rushed into the bedroom from the landing - indicating he may have been somewhere else.

I still also have seen no proof that he was shot before the phone call ( if it happened)

I agree there is no proof Sheila slept in the main bedroom but for me it answers a few questions I have struggled with before.  I can also accept that Sheila MAY have wanted to be nearer to the boys through the night if they were as upset and frightened at being at WHF as Colin claims.
If Sheila was a good mum she would worry about her boys feeling far away from her in the night and it would be very natural for her to want to be in earshot and easily accessible to them, I think.

[Steve_uk]

In your opinion. Of course, there remains the question of how Nevill managed to escape passed Jeremy -who had a gun- and out of the door which Jeremy was possibly blocking.

He was either marched down to the kitchen to make it appear as if he had made the telephone call or Jeremy was going to replace the bedroom telephone after the event. Both risky as Jeremy had little control in scenario one and scenario two the housekeeper might have noticed that the telephone had been put back or June could even have mentioned to Pamela that there was no bedroom telephone in the Tuesday night call.

[Steve_uk]

I agree there is no proof Sheila slept in the main bedroom but for me it answers a few questions I have struggled with before.  I can also accept that Sheila MAY have wanted to be nearer to the boys through the night if they were as upset and frightened at being at WHF as Colin claims.
If Sheila was a good mum she would worry about her boys feeling far away from her in the night and it would be very natural for her to want to be in earshot and easily accessible to them, I think.

This does raise the question,however,as to why she was unable to reach them during the massacre.

[Adam]

Neville and June were shot in the main bedroom.

But on a discussion forum people can say Sheila was in bed with the mother she hated. So she could be a few feet nearer two six year old boys.  Neville sleeping in another bedroom.

It doesn't really bother me as none of it points to Bamber being innocent. It all just gives another reason why Sheila's feet were clean. Although I believe the evidence presented at court, that Sheila was sleeping in her own bedroom.

[Adam]

In your opinion. Of course, there remains the question of how Nevill managed to escape passed Jeremy -who had a gun- and out of the door which Jeremy was possibly blocking.

This has been discussed a lot.

He either got past Bamber while being shot. Or followed Bamber when he went downstairs to reload.

It is much too risky for Bamber to march Neville downstairs. Anyway Neville was shot four times upstairs. In and around the head. Bamber was going after the instant execution.

[Jan]

Neville and June were shot in the main bedroom.

But on a discussion forum people can say Sheila was in bed with the mother she hated. So she could be a few feet nearer two six year old boys.  Neville sleeping in another bedroom.

It doesn't really bother me as none of it points to Bamber being innocent. It all just gives another reason why Sheila's feet were clean. Although I believe the evidence presented at court, that Sheila was sleeping in her own bedroom.

Stop twisting words Adam. Things we discuss are possibilities not facts . You did not answer my question about where the shooter was in the room when Neville was shot? Do you think he just climbed over June and left her there?

[Caroline]

Neville and June were shot in the main bedroom.

But on a discussion forum people can say Sheila was in bed with the mother she hated. So she could be a few feet nearer two six year old boys.  Neville sleeping in another bedroom.

It doesn't really bother me as none of it points to Bamber being innocent. It all just gives another reason why Sheila's feet were clean. Although I believe the evidence presented at court, that Sheila was sleeping in her own bedroom.

That's an assumption not a fact!

[Jane]

Neville and June were shot in the main bedroom.

But on a discussion forum people can say Sheila was in bed with the mother she hated. So she could be a few feet nearer two six year old boys.  Neville sleeping in another bedroom.

It doesn't really bother me as none of it points to Bamber being innocent. It all just gives another reason why Sheila's feet were clean. Although I believe the evidence presented at court, that Sheila was sleeping in her own bedroom.

Your opinion only. WHERE is there evidence of Sheila having been sleeping in her own bedroom? Don't tell me you've been at the ouiji board again!!!

[susan]

'Jan I have thought that Sheila may have been on the double bed with June xxx xxxxx in Sheila's room but what puzzles me the beds in there do not look slept in although AE did say she was surprised the other bed (not Sheila's) was made up ready for sleeping in.  As you have quoted none of us know what happened we can only speculate and that includes Adam'


Now now. This is what you said. Other posters supported this view. I never agreed with it, and was shot down by Jan.

Adam I don't agree with the post either place a COMMA after the word June and hey ho the whole meaning changes you will agree with that I am sure,

[Jan]

'Jan I have thought that Sheila may have been on the double bed with June xxx xxxxx in Sheila's room but what puzzles me the beds in there do not look slept in although AE did say she was surprised the other bed (not Sheila's) was made up ready for sleeping in.  As you have quoted none of us know what happened we can only speculate and that includes Adam'


Now now. This is what you said. Other posters supported this view. I never agreed with it, and was shot down by Jan.

Bad choice of words Adam.

Give it a rest you know you are wrong and Susan has absolutely no need to apologise for missing a comma.