Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?

[Jan]

Once everyone was dead Bamber just had to get Sheila out of bed and to where most of the shooting took place. Which was only a few feet from where she was sleeping.

He could put the rifle down, in the main bedroom. Then open Sheila's bedroom door.

He could attempt to persuade her to come with him to the main bedroom. Being Sheila's brother there is no reason why Sheila would resist. If she did see June lying down in the main bedroom and started to resist, Bamber could use his superior power to restrain her and shoot her.

Or Bamber could just wait until a half asleep Sheila was standing up, then carry her a few feet. Which would take less than ten seconds.

Or as Scipio suggested ,  Sheila was woken and  lead at gunpoint.

hooray - you are starting to understand there are several possibilities - because there was no sequence of death or shots established . We can discuss until the cows come home about this but because items from the house were burnt we don't know exactly whose blood was where.

[Adam]

I've always said there are several ways Sheila could have ended up in the main bedroom. Bamber had to get her to where the shooting took place. Or there is a very slim chance she woke and walked there.

June's blood would be all over the main bedroom floor. She was found on the bedroom floor after getting out of bed and moving across the bedroom.

Thought June's blood would be all over Sheila's feet. Maybe she flew across the bedroom.

[Jane]

I've always said there are several ways Sheila could have ended up in the main bedroom. Bamber had to get her to where the shooting took place. Or there is a very slim chance she woke and walked there.

June's blood would be all over the main bedroom floor. She was found on the bedroom floor after getting out of bed and moving across the bedroom.

Thought June's blood would be all over Sheila's feet. Maybe she flew across the bedroom.

If she was already there she wouldn't have needed to.

[Adam]

If she was already there she wouldn't have needed to.

When returning from the kitchen fight to kill herself, she must have flown over June's blood.

[Adam]

It really has to ruled out that Sheila woke and went into the main bedroom.

If she did, her feet would be covered in June's blood. Her hands would also be covered in blood as she would have knelt down and touched June to see why June was laying in the middle of the bedroom floor.

Perhaps Bamber carried her across the bedroom floor. Not giving Sheila a chance to see June.

There is a possibility Bamber lead her to the main bedroom either though persuasion or at gunpoint. But that still does not explain why her feet were so clean.

[Jane]

It really has to ruled out that Sheila woke and went into the main bedroom.

If she did, her feet would be covered in June's blood. Her hands would also be covered in blood as she would have knelt down and touched June to see why June was laying in the middle of the bedroom floor.

Perhaps Bamber carried her across the bedroom floor. Not giving Sheila a chance to see June.

If she was already there she wouldn't have had to.

[Caroline]

If she was already there she wouldn't have had to.

Was just going to say that. Adam's pointers add even more weight to her already being in the main bedroom. Cheers Adam!

[Adam]

If she was already there she wouldn't have had to.

You mean she slept with June and Neville and Bamber shot them all upon entrance to the main bedroom.

I bet Bamber got a shock when he realised there were three people in the bed.

He did well to shoot June and injure her enough to prevent her from exiting the main bedroom, shoot Sheila twice out of bed and kill her, and shoot Neville four times.

[Caroline]

You mean she slept with June and Neville and Bamber shot them all upon entrance to the main bedroom.

I bet Bamber got a shock when he realised there were three people in the bed.

He did well to shoot June and prevent June from exiting the main bedroom, shoot Sheila twice out of bed and kill her, and shoot Neville four times.

No one has EVER said she slept with June AND Nevill. The premiss is that she slept in the main bedroom with June to be next to the boys room. Nevill slept in the other room because that's were the slippers were and his blood was found outside of Sheila's room but NOT in the main bedroom. Had he been shot 4 times in the main bedroom, his blood would surely have been in there - it wasn't!

So you can stop suggesting that Sheila slept with both Nevill and June because it's now been fully explained!!

[Jane]

No one has EVER said she slept with June AND Nevill. The premiss is that she slept in the main bedroom with June to be next to the boys room. Nevill slept in the other room because that's were the slippers were and his blood was found outside of Sheila's room but NOT in the main bedroom. Had he been shot 4 times in the main bedroom, his blood would surely have been in there - it wasn't!

So you can stop suggesting that Sheila slept with both Nevill and June because it's now been fully explained!!

From the amount of times this has been said, it has to be assumed that it's been dismissed, other to cause the frequent and distasteful comment about Sheila sleeping with June and Nevill.

[Adam]

No one has EVER said she slept with June AND Nevill. The premiss is that she slept in the main bedroom with June to be next to the boys room. Nevill slept in the other room because that's were the slippers were and his blood was found outside of Sheila's room but NOT in the main bedroom. Had he been shot 4 times in the main bedroom, his blood would surely have been in there - it wasn't!

So you can stop suggesting that Sheila slept with both Nevill and June because it's now been fully explained!!

Neville's blood wouldn't be found in the main bedroom. He was already on the move when being shot at. So not enough time for any blood to drip down.

So Sheila slept in the main bedroom, in bed with June. So she could be a few feet nearer two six year old boys.

It was inconclusive whose slippers they were. Thread already created.

As I said when Lookout said Bamber wouldn't commit the massacre in case the windows had just been painted, 'you couldn't make it up'.

[maggie]

You mean she slept with June and Neville and Bamber shot them all upon entrance to the main bedroom.

I bet Bamber got a shock when he realised there were three people in the bed.

He did well to shoot June and injure her enough to prevent her from exiting the main bedroom, shoot Sheila twice out of bed and kill her, and shoot Neville four times.

I wish you'd stop insinuating Sheila slept with both June and Neville, if it's your idea of a joke it's not funny and is disrespectful to 3 people who died in horrendous circumstances imo.
Please cut it Adam or I shall start removing your posts and we know where that will lead.
Don't know what gets into you at the weekend.

[Adam]

Everyone has to accept that it was impossible for Sheila to hear the rifle with the silencer attached. Youtube video posted.

She slept until it was her turn. As the twins did.

Bamber got her into the main bedroom and shot her twice. Sheila somehow avoiding getting any blood on her feet. Either lead by Bamber to avoid June's blood, or carried across the bedroom.

[Jane]

Neville's blood wouldn't be found in the main bedroom. He was already on the move when being shot at. So not enough time for any blood to drip down.

So Sheila slept in the main bedroom, in bed with June. So she could be a few feet nearer two six year old boys.

It was inconclusive whose slippers they were. Thread already created.

As I said when Lookout said Bamber wouldn't commit the massacre in case the windows had just been painted, 'you couldn't make it up'.

But YOU could, Adam, and frequently do when you present your own opinion as fact.

[Jane]

Everyone has to accept that it was impossible for Sheila to hear the rifle with the silencer attached. Youtube video posted.

She slept until it was her turn. As the twins did.

Bamber got her into the main bedroom and shot her twice. Sheila somehow avoiding getting any blood on her feet. Either lead by Bamber to avoid June's blood, or carried across the bedroom.

I believe Scipio said the Youtube video didn't give an accurate picture. One has to wonder how, when she'd have had to step over a bloodied body, her feet remained clean.