Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??

[Caroline]

He is saying the two dogs are going bezerk

I know!! It's the USE of the SAME word that I'm talking about!! 

[lookout]

OK, Jeremy said Nevill said 'gun', Jeremy repeated 'gun' to West, West said 'gun'.  Are you saying that Nevill should have said 'rifle'? If so I don't understand your point - basically you're arguing against Jeremy! 

Not at all. Let's not forget that the shotgun was found lying around and it had Sheila's fingerprints on it,so that would be referred to as a gun as opposed to a rifle. But it doesn't mean to say that the shotgun was used because we know it wasn't,it would have been picked up by Sheila by way of a threat.

[Caroline]

Not at all. Let's not forget that the shotgun was found lying around and it had Sheila's fingerprints on it,so that would be referred to as a gun as opposed to a rifle. But it doesn't mean to say that the shotgun was used because we know it wasn't,it would have been picked up by Sheila by way of a threat.

Where is the document that confirms Sheila's prints were on any shot gun? They didn't take any shots guns away so that's clearly yet another myth.

[lookout]

Where is the document that confirms Sheila's prints were on any shot gun? They didn't take any shots guns away so that's clearly yet another myth.

The shotgun was found by AE in the upstairs office and was broken. The document is around somewhere because it stated that 3 of the guns had Sheila's prints on them.

[scipio_usmc]

Where is the document that confirms Sheila's prints were on any shot gun? They didn't take any shots guns away so that's clearly yet another myth.

They did eventually take possession of the shot guns but no evidence has been put forth to establish her prints were found on any- the claim seems to have been made up by Jeremy supporters. 

Mike said he would post proof BUT- insert drumroll here- big surprise he never did...

[Caroline]

They did eventually take possession of the shot guns but no evidence has been put forth to establish her prints were found on any- the claim seems to have been made up by Jeremy supporters. 

Mike said he would post proof BUT- insert drumroll here- big surprise he never did...

I meant initially - I doubt any finger prints would have remained from Sheila even if she HAD touched the shotgun that late in the investigation. I don't know why people make these things up but it doesn't help anyone.

[scipio_usmc]

The shotgun was found by AE in the upstairs office and was broken. The document is around somewhere because it stated that 3 of the guns had Sheila's prints on them.

There are only allegations about shotguns having her prints on them no documents have been posted that establish it. Documents were posted establishing they fingerprinted shotguns not that her prints were found on any.   

Police took out the shotgun from the downstairs office closet and left it out in the "broken open" position.

[Caroline]

There are only allegations about shotguns having her prints on them no documents have been posted that establish it. Documents were posted establishing they fingerprinted shotguns not that her prints were found on any.   

Police took out the shotgun from the downstairs office closet and left it out in the "broken open" position.

It's become folklore!!  :D

[scipio_usmc]

I meant initially - I doubt any finger prints would have remained from Sheila even if she HAD touched the shotgun that late in the investigation. I don't know why people make these things up but it doesn't help anyone.

Some people are so desperate to convince others they will make up anything.  They use the notion that Sheila touched the shotguns for things ranging from claiming it proves she did like guns and had no problem handling them to claiming she collected all the weapons and was preparing to confront police with a variety of weapons.

You even have people claiming she was firing at Nevill in the fields with the shotguns after Jeremy went home but she missed.   

[Caroline]

Some people are so desperate to convince others they will make up anything.  They use the notion that Sheila touched the shotguns for things ranging from claiming it proves she did like guns and had no problem handling them to claiming she collected all the weapons and was preparing to confront police with a variety of weapons.

You even have people claiming she was firing at Nevill in the fields with the shotguns after Jeremy went home but she missed.

That made me laugh!! 

[scipio_usmc]

That made me laugh!! 

Oh even funnier some claim she did hit him and that he had damage to his clothing and/or body from buckshot.  I forgot about those claims.

Just look at how they spin though.  They take the claim of the neighbor thinking he heart a shotgun being fired; the bogus claim of her prints being found on a shotgun; the unfired Raker shotgun shell found in the closet in a box, misrepresent that it was a spent casing that popped out of the shotgun with her prints when it was opened by police and claimed this proves Sheila shot at Nevill.   This is the kind of crap that shows they have nothing legitimate to raise to defend Jeremy because if they did then they would be raising it instead of resorting to such desperate nonsense.

[Caroline]

Oh even funnier some claim she did hit him and that he had damage to his clothing and/or body from buckshot.  I forgot about those claims.

Just look at how they spin though.  They take the claim of the neighbor thinking he heart a shotgun being fired; the bogus claim of her prints being found on a shotgun; the unfired Raker shotgun shell found in the closet in a box, misrepresent that it was a spent casing that popped out of the shotgun with her prints when it was opened by police and claimed this proves Sheila shot at Nevill.   This is the kind of crap that shows they have nothing legitimate to raise to defend Jeremy because if they did then they would be raising it instead of resorting to such desperate nonsense.

I guess it's like the CT who recently claimed they HAVE compelling evidence that will be submitted to the CCRC very soon, on the one hand - yet on the other, have a petition to have documents released that they are sure will free Jeremy. If they have compelling evidence, where is it and why the need for the petition? I kind of screams 'we don't have anything but we're desperate to find SOMETHING'!

[guest154]

I guess it's like the CT who recently claimed they HAVE compelling evidence that will be submitted to the CCRC very soon, on the one hand - yet on the other, have a petition to have documents released that they are sure will free Jeremy. If they have compelling evidence, where is it and why the need for the petition? I kind of screams 'we don't have anything but we're desperate to find SOMETHING'!

And we're meant to believe them. And are teased for not doing so! 

[scipio_usmc]

I guess it's like the CT who recently claimed they HAVE compelling evidence that will be submitted to the CCRC very soon, on the one hand - yet on the other, have a petition to have documents released that they are sure will free Jeremy. If they have compelling evidence, where is it and why the need for the petition? I kind of screams 'we don't have anything but we're desperate to find SOMETHING'!

That is rather like their claim that they know police are concealing evidence proving they framed him and if the police would release this evidence then they would be able to prove his innocence.  You have to see all the evidence and find proof he was framed among it in order to know police have evidence they framed him and were keeping a secret.

Of course it is ludicrous to believe they would create any documents establishing they framed him let alone retain such documents.  So the basis upon which they operate doesn't make sense on so many levels.

[guest154]

That is rather like their claim that they know police are concealing evidence proving they framed him and if the police would release this evidence then they would be able to prove his innocence.  You have to see all the evidence and find proof he was framed among it in order to know police have evidence they framed him and were keeping a secret.

Of course it is ludicrous to believe they would create any documents establishing they framed him let alone retain such documents.  So the basis upon which they operate doesn't make sense on so many levels.

Yes it makes no sense, are they expecting to find a document, hand written by conspirators documenting the plan for the frame job, a document that was then put in the case file!  Wanting things released because they may contain information relevant to innocence doesn't make much sense to e.