Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??

[Jan]

No, you didn't say that it exists - but that is what Bamber is asking people to buy into.

do you think his Father called the police that night?

Probably not . 

[Jan]

Yes really!!!
He adamantly refuted that he called the police as late as 03:36 at the trial - now he's saying it WAS 03:36 - FACT!!!

Oh he's certainly USING the logs (sloppy or not) to pull the wool.

FACT JULIE completely changed her timings
FACT the police have a ten minute discrepancy as we all know .
FACT Jeremy in the beginning said his timings were approximate
FACT that 1/2hour plus  is a mess .

[Adam]

So Jeremy expects us to believe that his Father called the police before he did, yet no one bothered to mention this to him when he called that night. When the police were still investigating this as a murder/suicide all they had to say to the relatives, who had doubts, was that Neville had called that night - so Bamber had an alibi. Bamber expects us to believe this?  Does he think we're idiots?

Agree with that.

[Adam]

I never said I thought the call existed . what I was saying is that after 30 years of trying to prove your innocence one may become desperate.

Agree with that to.

It is a desperate allegation. But got his case onto the front page of The Daily Mirror.

The withholding evidence claims is also desperate. The current released evidence from the last 30 years can't release him, even on a technicality. So recent press releases have been about baked cakes etc.

There is no prove there are missing documents, but Bamber has instructed his supporters to spread the word.

[Caroline]

FACT JULIE completely changed her timings
FACT the police have a ten minute discrepancy as we all know .
FACT Jeremy in the beginning said his timings were approximate
FACT that 1/2hour plus  is a mess .

FACT - Julie initially supported his story so went with his timings
FACT - West has a 10 minute discrepancy, Bonnet does not
FACT - he initially argued that he called the police before 03:36
FACT - he can't account for 26 minutes

[scipio_usmc]

FACT - Julie initially supported his story so went with his timings
FACT - West has a 10 minute discrepancy, Bonnet does not
FACT - he initially argued that he called the police before 03:36
FACT - he can't account for 26 minutes

Indeed his original timings were:

Nevill phoned him about 3:10
He phoned police around 3:15
He phoned Julie around 3:25

At trial the defense maintained he called police at least 4-5 minutes prior to 3:26, that he was off the phone with police prior to 3:30 and that he called Julie by 3:30 after getting off the phone with the police.

So while he originally said he called police around 3:15 the defense looked at the evidence and was willing to admit maybe it was actually around 3:20-3:21 which is only 5-6 minutes off so not far off thus not that significant.

To say he actually called at 3:36 not 3:20-3:21 is way off.  His revisionist claim is way off, creates a sizable time gap between when Nevill supposedly called him and he finally called police, would make it impossible for him to have called Julie after getting off the phone with police because every single account is that no way did his call to Julie come after 3:30, and in total the call would have to have lasted no more than 3 minutes including his time on hold because the call was definitely ended by 3:39.  It is quite obvious the revisionism is to pretend that Nevill contacted police and just harms his credibility and causes more problems it doesn't help him. 

[Stephanie]

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/
"And so the cycle went on that is until we got back to the van. From then on we called each other ‘Matey’ which fairly quickly was shortened to ‘Mate’. Right up to the 6th August 1985 and my going home leaving dad to collect the last trailer of rape seed from the combine at 10:00pm and leave it for me to tip and process in the morning. My last words to dad when I left that evening were, “Thanks Mate, I’ll see you in the morning.” I said a “Good night” to mum and Sheila and off I went.

In a way, looking back now, I can see why dad’s call to me prompted my phone call to the police at 03:36am. The reason why I took his telephone call so seriously. I have always felt that it was because I’d tried to ring him back to find out more information and my getting the engaged signal each time I did so. Not being able to call dad back to speak to him may have been part of it, but subconsciously I’d have known it was serious due to him not using the term “Matey” during our short conversation.

Obviously this is not a point to be taken to the Appeal Court, it would mean nothing to them, but to dad and I our 'in' joke was important to both of us on so many levels. In order for me to clear all of our names, I’ve had to try to understand everything, including my actions and motivations.

"But to dad and I our 'in ' joke was important to both of us on so many levels"

How and why was this 'in' joke so important on so many levels? What is he talking about? What levels?

And what about his. "Actions and motivations?" Is this a subtle hint of his guilt?

What's he talking about?

I think he could be telling porkies about the rapeseed...

[Stephanie]

"But to dad and I our 'in ' joke was important to both of us on so many levels"

How and why was this 'in' joke so important on so many levels? What is he talking about? What levels?

And what about his. "Actions and motivations?" Is this a subtle hint of his guilt?

What's he talking about?

I think he could be telling porkies about the rapeseed...

We do know that Bamber left the farmhouse for Bourtree Cottage at about 9.30pm – neighbour Dorothy Foakes heard his car speeding down the lane. By then, all was not well at the farm.
Nevill was uncharacteristically brusque with his secretary Barbara Wilson when she phoned just after 9.30pm, and neither June nor Sheila were themselves when Pamela Boutflour, June’s sister, called just before 10pm. Barbara was under the impression that she had interrupted a row.
Dorothy's husband Len was the last person to see any member of the household alive. At about 10.15pm he saw Nevill on his tractor, collecting the last of the rapeseed harvest. The house was fully secured on the ground floor that night. Two external doors had been bolted from the inside and the rear door was fastened with a mortice lock.
All ground-floor windows were fastened except the dairy window, which was protected by a metal mesh. Upstairs, the window in Nevill and June’s bedroom was slightly open at the top.
Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford from Bourtree Cottage at about 10pm. He sounded angry, telling her: ‘I’ve been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never.’
Aware that he was talking about killing his entire family, Julie told him not to be stupid.
At the end of the 20-minute conversation, he told her she might hear from him later, although Julie ‘thought nothing of this’.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166636/Bamber-slaughtered-family-25-bullets-told-girlfriend-s-going-years-investigation-leading-author-tell-exactly-happened-night-White-House-Farm-massacre.html#ixzz3qA3j45Ky

[Stephanie]

We do know that Bamber left the farmhouse for Bourtree Cottage at about 9.30pm – neighbour Dorothy Foakes heard his car speeding down the lane. By then, all was not well at the farm.
Nevill was uncharacteristically brusque with his secretary Barbara Wilson when she phoned just after 9.30pm, and neither June nor Sheila were themselves when Pamela Boutflour, June’s sister, called just before 10pm. Barbara was under the impression that she had interrupted a row.
Dorothy's husband Len was the last person to see any member of the household alive. At about 10.15pm he saw Nevill on his tractor, collecting the last of the rapeseed harvest. The house was fully secured on the ground floor that night. Two external doors had been bolted from the inside and the rear door was fastened with a mortice lock.
All ground-floor windows were fastened except the dairy window, which was protected by a metal mesh. Upstairs, the window in Nevill and June’s bedroom was slightly open at the top.
Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford from Bourtree Cottage at about 10pm. He sounded angry, telling her: ‘I’ve been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never.’
Aware that he was talking about killing his entire family, Julie told him not to be stupid.
At the end of the 20-minute conversation, he told her she might hear from him later, although Julie ‘thought nothing of this’.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166636/Bamber-slaughtered-family-25-bullets-told-girlfriend-s-going-years-investigation-leading-author-tell-exactly-happened-night-White-House-Farm-massacre.html#ixzz3qA3j45Ky

So what time was it?

9.30pm or 10.00pm?

"Right up to the 6th August 1985 and my going home leaving dad to collect the last trailer of rape seed from the combine at 10:00pm and leave it for me to tip and process in the morning. My last words to dad when I left that evening were, “Thanks Mate, I’ll see you in the morning.” I said a “Good night” to mum and Sheila and off I went."

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk

[Stephanie]

Mike wrote on 23rd March 2014

"I don't recall that Jeremy ever said he had seen rabbits from the kitchen. Since, on the occasions I have spoken to him about this he told me that on his return from the field driving the farm tractor and trailer (rape seed), that he saw rabbits near the barn, before he went into the farmhouse. Upon going into the kitchen he walked into a debate going on involving his parents and Sheila, about getting Sheila some sort of help because her parents were saying, that Sheila was not well enough to look after them both all by herself. They were talking about getting her some help from her social worker, and things of that nature - and Sheila said nothing at all. Jeremy by this stage had collected the family rifle, and a box of ammunition, which he took into the kitchen and proceeded to load rounds into the guns ammunition magazine. He then left the farmhouse and went out towards the barn area intending to shoot the rabbits he had seen earlier, but by the time he got there, the rabbits had ran off..."

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5185.msg223546.html#msg223546

[Stephanie]

Who collected the rape seed?

Neville or Jeremy?

[Caroline]

So what time was it?

9.30pm or 10.00pm?

"Right up to the 6th August 1985 and my going home leaving dad to collect the last trailer of rape seed from the combine at 10:00pm and leave it for me to tip and process in the morning. My last words to dad when I left that evening were, “Thanks Mate, I’ll see you in the morning.” I said a “Good night” to mum and Sheila and off I went."

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk

I think hey had an argument because Jeremy refused to complete the last load and left it to his dad. If Len Foakes had been able to speak to Nevill that night, we might have known more! 

[Caroline]

Who collected the rape seed?

Neville or Jeremy?

Nevill must have because Len Foakes saw him. However, Jeremy is evasive on this issue in his statement, so I think there is more to this incident.

[Stephanie]

Nevill must have because Len Foakes saw him. However, Jeremy is evasive on this issue in his statement, so I think there is more to this incident.

I agree and I think that's another reason he has decided to blog about it now - some 30 years later 

Something doesn't add up does it?

[Stephanie]

I cannot find Len Foakes statement?