Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[Jan]

Another thing I learnt Jeremy asked the police to go in nearly as soon as they arrived . So the whole theory of him "creating" a siege situation to stop them going in was not exactly true.

[Caroline]

Another thing I learnt Jeremy asked the police to go in nearly as soon as they arrived . So the whole theory of him "creating" a siege situation to stop them going in was not exactly true.

Don't forget he also told them Sheila was armed. It doesn't take a genius to work out that two unarmed police officers aren't going to beat the door down to a house in which there is an armed assailant. 

[Jan]

Don't forget he also told them Sheila was armed. It doesn't take a genius to work out that two unarmed police officers aren't going to beat the door down to a house in which there is an armed assailant.

Crazy with a gun can mean a lot of things she could have been threatening to commit suicide or just waving it about. If the police thought it that serious they should not have arrived and approached the house before back up arrived .

[scipio_usmc]

Crazy with a gun can mean a lot of things she could have been threatening to commit suicide or just waving it about. If the police thought it that serious they should not have arrived and approached the house before back up arrived .

When someone says to me there is a person who has Schizophrenia going crazy and has a gun that says to me they are having a psychotic episode while holding a gun which obviously is not a good thing!

[Jane]

Crazy with a gun can mean a lot of things she could have been threatening to commit suicide or just waving it about. If the police thought it that serious they should not have arrived and approached the house before back up arrived .

And what would have been the reaction to them sitting outside like a pair of BillyNoMates until the boys with the guns arrived. What would have been the point of them being there?

[lookout]

As soon as guns are mentioned to the police,there is automatically a back-up team from the firearms section. Or should be.

[Jane]

As soon as guns are mentioned to the police,there is automatically a back-up team from the firearms section. Or should be.

Talking about what "should" be won't in any way, alter what was, which is all we can discuss.

[lookout]

Talking about what "should" be won't in any way, alter what was, which is all we can discuss.

Just sayin'.

[Jan]

As soon as guns are mentioned to the police,there is automatically a back-up team from the firearms section. Or should be.

The Dickinson report explains the delay.

[Jan]

When someone says to me there is a person who has Schizophrenia going crazy and has a gun that says to me they are having a psychotic episode while holding a gun which obviously is not a good thing!

No I am not saying it is a good thing and the police explained why they did not go in - but they did seem to admit they were putting themselves and Jeremy at risk by approaching the house in the first place. What I was saying that I knew he had asked them later to go in because they were al the family he had - I did not realise he had asked them as soon as he got there.

[lookout]

He wanted to speak to his father,Jan.

[scipio_usmc]

No I am not saying it is a good thing and the police explained why they did not go in - but they did seem to admit they were putting themselves and Jeremy at risk by approaching the house in the first place. What I was saying that I knew he had asked them later to go in because they were al the family he had - I did not realise he had asked them as soon as he got there.

He didn't ask them to go in as soon as he got there. They approached the house with him but were scared that if they knocked she would come out and shoot them. They asked Jeremy if he thought he could speak to her to calm her down and he said she hated him and would be even more apt to shoot if she saw him. So at that they really chickened out and went to call for armed support.

[Jan]

He didn't ask them to go in as soon as he got there. They approached the house with him but were scared that if they knocked she would come out and shoot them. They asked Jeremy if he thought he could speak to her to calm her down and he said she hated him and would be even more apt to shoot if she saw him. So at that they really chickened out and went to call for armed support.

great first error in the book then that means I can query everything in later chapters. . funny it states that this fact is backed up by police statements. and hose words above are not strictly accurate - you have added some bits for affect I think. I don't recall the bit where he said she would be more likely to shoot- can you tell me the source of that bit?

[lookout]

( there's some fireworks going off at the back and they're like incendiary bombs going off Awful !!

[scipio_usmc]

great first error in the book then that means I can query everything in later chapters. . funny it states that this fact is backed up by police statements. and hose words above are not strictly accurate - you have added some bits for affect I think. I don't recall the bit where he said she would be more likely to shoot- can you tell me the source of that bit?

We have the police statements.  He didn't beg anyone to do squat for hours.  That is why you actually want to read the statements instead of simply going with how someone characterizes a statement.