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Re: Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?
« Reply #465 on: October 30, 2015, 12:32:AM »
Without going into detail and dragging up posts you have made over the years I think ur posting in relation to June Bamber and the relatives has been absolutely reprehensible. On top of that, intentionally or not u were very disrespectful to the victims of Hillsborough in one of your posts which I picked u up on, in my opinion.

I have no qualms with u choosing to support jb, although I think one basis of ur argument that u ' had a gut feeling from day 1' is deeply flawed.

Regardless of whether you think jb is innocent or guilty, surely u view the relatives and June Bamber the victims of an appalling tragedy?

In that regard I would never dream of making some of the posts u have aimed at the relatives or June Bamber, without definitive proof.

This is not an attempt to be condescending, but my conscience would not allow me to make posts attacking the relatives, June Bamber, Julie Mugford et al without tangible evidence of their wrong doing. Without such they are victims of a terrible tragedy. Unless u think that none of the relatives grieved when several members of their family died and they didn't care that they died, or the relatives were in some way behind their deaths, then I see no reason why u cannot view them as victims.

Look at you. Bullying Lookout with your holier than thou nonsense.

Petey going by the evidence in your posts, it's questionable if you even have a conscience. Again my opinion to which I am entitled.

You really should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror Peter.

You talk of other posters suggesting they have no respect but in actual fact it looks to me as though you are projecting your own character flaws.
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Re: Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?
« Reply #466 on: October 30, 2015, 12:41:AM »
I don't particularly wish to get involved in a tit for tat argument with u.  I'm sure u are well aware that in my opinion we crossed words when u told me in no uncertain terms how u were looking forward to my apology when Simon Hall walked free an innocent man. This was sometime ago and don't think I've interacted with u much since. I can't begin to understand what you went through and I would imagine continue to go through.

Clearly I have not linked ur posts or lookouts to Hillsborough, although to be quite honest I think that is fairly obvious from my post. I did pick up lookout when in my opinion she showed disrespect to the victims, but that was some time ago.

Oh; and we didn't 'cross words' as you put it Petey. You were a nasty little bully who seemed to get a kick out of making disrespectful, callous posts aimed at me, late at night, when there were no moderators on the forum.

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« Reply #467 on: October 30, 2015, 12:44:AM »
I don't particularly wish to get involved in a tit for tat argument with u.  I'm sure u are well aware that in my opinion we crossed words when u told me in no uncertain terms how u were looking forward to my apology when Simon Hall walked free an innocent man. This was sometime ago and don't think I've interacted with u much since. I can't begin to understand what you went through and I would imagine continue to go through.

Clearly I have not linked ur posts or lookouts to Hillsborough, although to be quite honest I think that is fairly obvious from my post. I did pick up lookout when in my opinion she showed disrespect to the victims, but that was some time ago.

Without going into detail and dragging up posts you have made over the years I think ur posting in relation to June Bamber and the relatives has been absolutely reprehensible. On top of that, intentionally or not u were very disrespectful to the victims of Hillsborough in one of your posts which I picked u up on, in my opinion.

I have no qualms with u choosing to support jb, although I think one basis of ur argument that u ' had a gut feeling from day 1' is deeply flawed.

Regardless of whether you think jb is innocent or guilty, surely u view the relatives and June Bamber the victims of an appalling tragedy?

In that regard I would never dream of making some of the posts u have aimed at the relatives or June Bamber, without definitive proof.

This is not an attempt to be condescending, but my conscience would not allow me to make posts attacking the relatives, June Bamber, Julie Mugford et al without tangible evidence of their wrong doing. Without such they are victims of a terrible tragedy. Unless u think that none of the relatives grieved when several members of their family died and they didn't care that they died, or the relatives were in some way behind their deaths, then I see no reason why u cannot view them as victims.

I've quoted your last two posts together so that posters with a modicum of common sense can see you for what you are and see your double standards and hypocrisy side by side....
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« Reply #468 on: October 30, 2015, 12:49:AM »
My surprise at your continuous mockery of others, is not judgement, it is just surprise, given what's gone before.

And Hartley had the audacity to suggest I was 'continuously mocking'....  ::)

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« Reply #469 on: October 30, 2015, 01:36:AM »
Well according to his post yesterday "I simply don't have the time or inclination at present" - he's referring to spending time on the forum and/or posting.

And as you can see he states "if the case ever progresses or I have something more productive to add" he appears to be suggesting he won't post.

So it's unlikely you'll need to ignore him as it doesn't appear he'll be posting anything "unproductive"

Time will tell I guess.....

Well it didn't take him long Lookout and I wouldn't call anything he has posted since 'productive'   ::)
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« Reply #470 on: October 30, 2015, 06:43:AM »
And Hartley had the audacity to suggest I was 'continuously mocking'....  ::)

Indeed.

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« Reply #471 on: October 30, 2015, 10:28:AM »
Well it didn't take him long Lookout and I wouldn't call anything he has posted since 'productive'   ::)






I thank you for your support Steph for which I'm grateful. x  I won't be answering his lies and drivel as he's not worth conversing with and I don't answer to cowards and bullies anyway.

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« Reply #472 on: October 30, 2015, 10:40:AM »





I thank you for your support Steph for which I'm grateful. x  I won't be answering his lies and drivel as he's not worth conversing with and I don't answer to cowards and bullies anyway.

No problem Lookout! X

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Re: Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?
« Reply #473 on: October 31, 2015, 12:02:PM »
The last number re-dial phone which was found under magazines,was it ever plugged in to find out what the last number dialled was ? Or,dare I ask,fingerprinted too ?

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« Reply #474 on: October 31, 2015, 03:16:PM »
The last number re-dial phone which was found under magazines,was it ever plugged in to find out what the last number dialled was ? Or,dare I ask,fingerprinted too ?

After it was found it was plugged back in the kitchen and used once again instead of using the dial phone.  All the police would get would be the last number of the farm secretary or whoever used it last after it was uncovered.

It wasn't plugged in the night of the murders so who cares anyway what the last number dialed was or whose prints were on it.  Jeremy used it prior to the murders so would have an excuse for his prints being on it the same goes true for the entire family.   
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Re: Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?
« Reply #475 on: October 31, 2015, 06:01:PM »
After it was found it was plugged back in the kitchen and used once again instead of using the dial phone.  All the police would get would be the last number of the farm secretary or whoever used it last after it was uncovered.

It wasn't plugged in the night of the murders so who cares anyway what the last number dialed was or whose prints were on it.  Jeremy used it prior to the murders so would have an excuse for his prints being on it the same goes true for the entire family.






So you don't know who was last to use the phone then ? Could have been Neville for all any of us know ???

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« Reply #476 on: November 01, 2015, 01:18:AM »
So you don't know who was last to use the phone then ? Could have been Neville for all any of us know ???

We know it was unplugged, hidden and replaced by the time Pike picked up the cordless phone on Monday August 5.  We do not know whether Jeremy did so moments before Pike showed up or earlier that day or even on Sunday. We only know it was done BY the time Pike picked it up.  So we don't even know for sure when it was removed only when it was removed by let alone when it was last used prior to being replaced with the bedroom phone.

Who used it last holds no significance so as far as the murders are concerned since it was unplugged at least 36 hours before the murders occurred.

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« Reply #477 on: November 02, 2015, 10:17:PM »
If the call from Neville was fake to provide an alibi it was planned - so what are your ideas for why in his plan  -

he claimed to have called his father back a couple of times ?

Why if he was trying to create a siege situation ( as claimed ) did he not mention a shot being fired .

Why did he "make up" a story about looking through a phone book ?

Why did he not make sure he knew the times of the calls?

Why did he get in a muddle about whether he called Julie before the police ? If Julie was part of the alibi you think he would have got the order and the times right?

Why did he think the police would be able to trace the call?


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« Reply #478 on: November 03, 2015, 01:46:AM »
If the call from Neville was fake to provide an alibi it was planned - so what are your ideas for why in his plan  -

Indeed it was part of his plan all along to present the alibi that he received a call, he even told Julie about such being part of his plan prior to the murders and she in turn testified to such and included it in her statements. 


he claimed to have called his father back a couple of times ?

Why is this surprising?  He wanted them to believe the call got cut off midstream thus pretended he called back to try to clarify things. Calling back is something one would be apt to do under the circumstances.

Why if he was trying to create a siege situation ( as claimed ) did he not mention a shot being fired .

Claiming to hear shots fired would give the police reason to go in right away.   

Subsequently he told certain people he thinks he heard a scuffle taking place or shot fired before the phone went dead.  It is rather obvious why he didn't say that at trial though.  Saying he heard shots would mean he should have called police instantly. He admitted he didn't call police instantly he testified that at first he didn't think it was an urgent situation and that only after thinking about it a while did he realize it was urgent. Saying he heard a shot fired certainly would not jive with this testimony.

Why did he "make up" a story about looking through a phone book ?

He didn't make it up he actually did look through the phone book.  Whether he did so in order to try to slow down police response or did so by accident because 999 would occur to someone who is in an emergency situation but he was not actually in an emergency situation so he had a brain fart and didn't think of 999 is anyone's guess.

Why did he not make sure he knew the times of the calls?

That would look pretty bad if he wrote down on a piece of paper the time he made up receiving a call from Nevill, the time he called police and a fictional time he called Julie. No one would do such a thing.  Particularly since he knew police could not get the times from the phone company so he was free to make up whatever he desired.   

Why did he get in a muddle about whether he called Julie before the police ? If Julie was part of the alibi you think he would have got the order and the times right?

He had his lies straight at first- he was consistent in his claim that he called Julie after police.  A month later he was interviewed 4 days in a row.  On his first day he forgot and accidentally told the truth when he was interviewed by Taff Jones. When DS Jones interviewed him he prepped himself more and reverted to his prior lie. Then Jones nailed him and he said he wanted to see what he wrote in his statement. He wanted to read his statement in order to refresh his memory of his lies but Jones refused to show him.  So he simply stated he could no longer remember and deferred to what he put in his statement.

Why did he think the police would be able to trace the call?

Obviously he didn't.  If he knew they could trace the time of calls then lying about calling Julie afterwards would be pointless.  His lying demonstrates he didn't think they could get a written record proving the times of any calls. He told police he thought they could tell just to try to fool them into thinking he didn't realize they would not be able to tell if a call had been made or not because if he knew then it would be easy to make the call up.

In fact that is why he wanted police to pick him up .  He wanted them to see he was at his house.  Since they wouldn't he made sure they arrived first.  Since phone records proved useless they could think he called police from WHF then walked outside and waited for police and just pretend he called from his place and drove there after calling.
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Re: Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?
« Reply #479 on: November 03, 2015, 09:50:AM »
If the call from Neville was fake to provide an alibi it was planned - so what are your ideas for why in his plan  -

he claimed to have called his father back a couple of times ? To give credence to the call ending abruptlly and him trying to find out more information

Why if he was trying to create a siege situation ( as claimed ) did he not mention a shot being fired . He didn't need to - he mentioned guns and his sister having 'gone crazy'.

Why did he "make up" a story about looking through a phone book? Maybe he didn't make up a story, maybe he did actually look the number of the station up.

Why did he not make sure he knew the times of the calls? In order to cross all of the t's he would need to think he might (at some point) be a suspect. Jeremy didn't think he would be a suspect.

Why did he get in a muddle about whether he called Julie before the police ? If Julie was part of the alibi you think he would have got the order and the times right? Because he got caught out.

Why did he think the police would be able to trace the call? I think he knew they couldn't.

Criminals get caught because their plans weren't infallible - Jeremy was no exception.
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