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Offline susan

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« Reply #90 on: October 13, 2015, 09:00:PM »
Simply don't understand these people, what he did to Sharon Tate and her unborn child was so hideous how could any woman go anywhere near him.


Maggie IMO these women have mental health issues :'( Look at the ones who wanted to marry Peter Sutcliffe :'(

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« Reply #91 on: October 13, 2015, 09:03:PM »


Maggie IMO these women have mental health issues :'( Look at the ones who wanted to marry Peter Sutcliffe :'(
I agree, it's hard to fathom. :o

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« Reply #92 on: October 13, 2015, 09:11:PM »
Yeah, me either.  It seems they seem him as 'famous' and alot of people are attracted to that. John Lennons killer also has a strange wife & her interviews about him are strange.
Is Mark Chapman married? He is a paranoid schizophrenic isn't he? I agree with Susan that these women must be mentally ill as well.

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« Reply #93 on: October 13, 2015, 09:15:PM »
Sutcliffe has been getting some preferential treatment of late. Though " accompanied " he was seen visiting an optician ( I think ) minus any handcuffs ! He even had the brass-neck to incriminate the McCanns with their missing daughter.
He'd demanded all kinds of update technology too.
I'd have put a guillotine in his cell ( with a sensitive catch on it )

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« Reply #94 on: October 13, 2015, 09:33:PM »
Sutcliffe has been getting some preferential treatment of late. Though " accompanied " he was seen visiting an optician ( I think ) minus any handcuffs ! He even had the brass-neck to incriminate the McCanns with their missing daughter.
He'd demanded all kinds of update technology too.
I'd have put a guillotine in his cell ( with a sensitive catch on it )

Lookout
you never fail to bring a smile to my face ;D

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« Reply #95 on: October 13, 2015, 09:39:PM »
Lookout
you never fail to bring a smile to my face ;D





I'd have laced his cocoa that's for sure. ;D

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« Reply #96 on: October 13, 2015, 09:44:PM »
They always go on about his charisma - I'm not seeing it! Although, he didn't actually kill anyone and he wasn't in the house when his crazy disciples killed Sharon Tate and the others - he is clearly a sandwich short.
He was responsible for it all imo Havent seen a photo of him for about 100 years he seemed very insignificant back then but obviously wasn't.
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« Reply #97 on: October 13, 2015, 09:53:PM »
He was responsible for it all imo Havent seen a photo of him for about 100 years he seemed very insignificant back then but obviously wasn't.
Just seen a photo, he hasn't improved with age  :o

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« Reply #98 on: October 13, 2015, 10:16:PM »
It seems the campaign team need just 84 signatures to reach the 1000 milestone. Then what? is this actually going achieve anything?


https://www.change.org/p/michael-gove-secretary-of-state-for-justice-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence

At White House Farm, Tolleshunt D’Arcy, England on the 7th August 1985, five members of the same family were shot dead. They included Nevill Bamber, his wife June Bamber and their daughter Sheila Caffell and Sheila’s twin sons, Nicholas and Daniel Caffell. Based upon evidence the police established the shootings as a case of murder/suicide.

However, Jeremy Bamber, Nevill and June’s son was arrested on the 8th September and released after six days of questioning. He was re-arrested on the 29th September and charged with murder. In October 1986 he was convicted on a 10:2 majority verdict and given a twenty-five year sentence, but the Home Secretary changed this to whole life in 1994.   

Disclosure Required

1. Original handwritten logs and statements written by Malcolm Bonnett & PC West relating to Jeremy’s father calling the Police between 03:00am and 03:30 am saying his daughter had gone berserk with the gun.

2. The original situation report radioed in by PS Bews calling out the firearms team because he'd seen Sheila Caffell moving in the house while Jeremy was with police. Also PS Bews and PC Myall’s original witness statements written on the 7th August 1985.

3. The 06.9.85 Report by DI Kenneally stating that the evidence showed Sheila was responsible for murdering her family and then committing suicide.

4. Also required, the audio recordings of the open phone line at White House Farm recording the raid on the house by the Firearms Officers who broke in at 07:39am.

5. The original handwritten statements from first case investigation number SC/688/85 including those written by the raid team and all fifty-four (54) people who entered the house on the 7th August 1985.

6. Interviews from the DI Dickinson Enquiry including those from the forensic scientists Glynis Howard, Malcolm Fletcher, Graham Craddock and Graham Renshaw to discover if they wrote the same things to the Dickinson Enquiry regarding two sound moderators, that they later admitted to during the 1991 C.O.L.P Enquiry.

7. Public Interest Immunity file on Julie Mugford referring to her ‘deal’ with the Crown Prosecution Service in exchange for immunity from prosecution for five criminal offences three of which were unknown to the jury. Also disclosure of the Essex Police file on the £25,000 newspaper deal, agreed to in November/December 1985 (pre-trial) by Julie Mugford’s solicitors.

8. Photographs of all the rooms in white house Farm including those containing firearms such as the main office, and the box room next to the Master bedroom. In November 2001, all the case negatives were in uncut complete strips of ten. By 2011 and their disclosure to Jeremy, someone had cut and removed seventy-seven (77) negative images from these film strips, which left sixteen (16) of them cut up into multiple pieces of two, three and four frames. Disclosure is required of all seventy-seven (77) photographic images.

9. Sheila Caffell's medical/psychiatric records referring to her conversations with her consulting psychiatrist where she informs him she was afraid she would kill her children - as he briefly mentioned at trial. Disclosure of her 1983 and 1985 diaries periods where she suffered severe episodes of psychosis.

10. Original forensic report by Renshaw referring to the blood in the sound moderator as identical to beneficiary of the Bamber estate Robert Boutflour, one of the relatives who found it after police searched the house and 'missed it'.

Jeremy Bamber has been in prison for 30 years.  Please sign the Petition. Thank you.

Letter to
Michael Gove - Secretary of State for Justice

Essex Police: Release ALL Documents Withheld under PII to Jeremy Bamber’s Legal Defence Tm
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Petition almost has 1000 signatures
« Reply #99 on: October 13, 2015, 10:38:PM »
Charles Manson has women who want to marry him! There is no explanation for what people are willing to say and do for people behind bars.

That's different. In Jeremy's situation people will do allot for hi
 If they believe he is innocent, because to them an innocent man is in prison.

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« Reply #100 on: October 13, 2015, 10:54:PM »
That's different. In Jeremy's situation people will do allot for hi
 If they believe he is innocent, because to them an innocent man is in prison.
Very true David, these people no doubt believe in JBs innocence, if they ever discover he is in fact guilty they will be devastated. It's a dreadful abuse for a guilty murderer to swear they are innocent and encourage people to give up their life to fight for them.imo
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« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2015, 08:20:AM »
Very true David, these people no doubt believe in JBs innocence, if they ever discover he is in fact guilty they will be devastated. It's a dreadful abuse for a guilty murderer to swear they are innocent and encourage people to give up their life to fight for them.imo


But Maggie, WHAT exactly, will it take to convince supporters of his guilt? One suspects that even if he made a full confession they'd find a reason for it OTHER than guilt!!!! Re your comment about "a dreadful abuse." A guilty murderer -albeit one proclaiming innocence- has already shown no compunction about ending lives so is not likely to have a guilt trip about those who give their lives willingly.

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« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2015, 08:50:AM »

But Maggie, WHAT exactly, will it take to convince supporters of his guilt? One suspects that even if he made a full confession they'd find a reason for it OTHER than guilt!!!! Re your comment about "a dreadful abuse." A guilty murderer -albeit one proclaiming innocence- has already shown no compunction about ending lives so is not likely to have a guilt trip about those who give their lives willingly.
Hi Jane, I am speaking generally not specifically about the JB campaign group.
I'm not saying it comes as a surprise that a guilty murderer who swears innocence is capable of lying for his own ends but such a person, probably a psychopath can be very skilled and convincing. 
The realisation they have been manipulated so badly by someone they believed was their friend and in whom they have invested so much (rightly or wrongly) can cause real contradictions and confusion in a supporter's mind as they struggle between two different 'truths' or 'realities'...... I would think??
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« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2015, 09:26:AM »
I am speaking generally not specifically about the JB campaign group.
I'm not saying it comes as a surprise that a guilty murderer who swears innocence is capable of lying for his own ends but such a person, probably a psychopath can be very skilled and convincing. 
The realisation they have been manipulated so badly by someone they believed was their friend and in whom they have invested so much (rightly or wrongly) can cause real contradictions and confusion in a supporter's mind as they struggle between two different 'truths' or 'realities'...... I would think??


Yes, and there's also the part about having been loyal to a cause and feeling guilty and DISloyal for abandoning that cause. Of course, it can be justified but the feelings can't be switched off as easily. I felt very uncomfortable when I first had doubts about Jeremy's innocence which is probably why I held off for so long before I said anything. I suppose I was hoping that some piece of, hitherto, unseen evidence, would convince me that I was mistaken, but the more I allowed myself to look at my suspicions, the more convinced I became of his guilt.

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« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2015, 09:43:AM »

Yes, and there's also the part about having been loyal to a cause and feeling guilty and DISloyal for abandoning that cause. Of course, it can be justified but the feelings can't be switched off as easily. I felt very uncomfortable when I first had doubts about Jeremy's innocence which is probably why I held off for so long before I said anything. I suppose I was hoping that some piece of, hitherto, unseen evidence, would convince me that I was mistaken, but the more I allowed myself to look at my suspicions, the more convinced I became of his guilt.
Yes, I can understand you Jane, people who stick their necks out because they believe there has been an injustice tend to be people who emote with others and want to help.  However, fortunately you hadn't given your all to it, that's when it becomes a really cruel and wicked abuse. 
Makes me think of the 'Free George Davis' campaign hundreds of years ago. His wife and her supporters were all over the news as she fought to get him out of prison for a burglary she was convinced he didn't commit. She got him out but only because his conviction was unsafe, he was never cleared of guilt then he reoffended and went back to prison. She died a few years later of cancer, no one can say he killed her but am sure it didn't help. The humiliation alone must have been enough to kill her, wicked man.
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