How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[susan]

Yes I see what you mean Jane, however, imo we don't have any proof that either of them did it if that's what we are basing our findings on,

I just could not convict on the evidence we have available, I wish I could be as sure as you guilters but I cant, maybe I need another couple of years.!!!!

Notsure you never commented on my post to you yesterday asking how you thought Sheila was so clean if she had murdered her entire family she would have had splatters of blood after the beating poor Ralph received also gun residue on her hands.  Have you come up with anything yet?.

[Caroline]

Yes I see what you mean Jane, however, imo we don't have any proof that either of them did it if that's what we are basing our findings on,

I just could not convict on the evidence we have available, I wish I could be as sure as you guilters but I cant, maybe I need another couple of years.!!!!

I started off thinking he was guilty - Crimes That Shook Britain made me change my mind but after looking at all of the 'new evidence' which they claimed challenged his guilt - it turned out to be nothing more than a few admin errors which the CT have twisted and dragged out of proportion. There is also the fact that Jeremy himself is often cagey when you ask him things and almost never gives a straight answer - especially when the question have negative connotations.

[Adam]

I started off thinking he was guilty - Crimes That Shook Britain made me change my mind but after looking at all of the 'new evidence' which they claimed challenged his guilt - it turned out to be nothing more than a few admin errors which the CT have twisted and dragged out of proportion. There is also the fact that Jeremy himself is often cagey when you ask him things and almost never gives a straight answer - especially when the question have negative connotations.

It is surprising that CTSB made you change you're mind.

It firstly has incriminating evidence. The bits that question his guilt is just to sensationalise the programme and as you said can be easily checked and explained.

[Caroline]

It is surprising that CTSB made you change you're mind.

It firstly has incriminating evidence. The bits that question his guilt is just to sensationalise the programme and as you said can be easily checked and explained.

CTSB brought me to the forum - and back then their were a lot more innocent supporters. T think we convinced each other to be honest.

[susan]

Caroline my position was exactly like yours I was influenced by so many posters who thought Jeremy was innocent then I started to look at points raised by the Jeremy guilty and changed my mind and now think he is guilty.  I seem to remember the wallet incident helped to change your mind too and you brought it to the forum and we were all in shock that you thought him guilty

[notsure]

Hi susan, sorry i dont always have time to stay on the forum for long so forgive me if i didnt respond.

i dont know is the answer?but my point is jb didnt have any marks, blood etc on him either and we dont have that kind of evidence for either of them do we. It works both ways doesnt it? We dont have any proof that either of them did it in my opinion

we have the sound moderator and the blood evidence in that, but thats questionable so that leaves us with which circumstantial evidence we choose to believe.

my feeling on that is that the prosecution were far more forceful  and believable in thier ability to paint a picture of JB the monster murderer.

I cannot dismiss shielas awful illness and complete instability. I think we too readily dismiss this as its easier to say JB did it for the money, 

[notsure]

Susan, i also believe Shiela was capable of killing everyone.

[susan]

Susan, i also believe Shiela was capable of killing everyone.

Notsure
I will be honest with you and I know very little about Sheila's illness other than she was not well.  I just cannot see her killing all her family she would have to have gun residue on her hands and clothes and blood splatter on her nightdress.  Her ex husband Colin said she knew nothing about guns or reloading and had she been responsible she would have died with her boys not her Mother.  The phone calls are not convincing I could go on and on but you will have read it all on here I can never be convinced poor Sheila murdered her family.

[susan]

Hi susan, sorry i dont always have time to stay on the forum for long so forgive me if i didnt respond.

i dont know is the answer?but my point is jb didnt have any marks, blood etc on him either and we dont have that kind of evidence for either of them do we. It works both ways doesnt it? We dont have any proof that either of them did it in my opinion

we have the sound moderator and the blood evidence in that, but thats questionable so that leaves us with which circumstantial evidence we choose to believe.

my feeling on that is that the prosecution were far more forceful  and believable in thier ability to paint a picture of JB the monster murderer.

I cannot dismiss shielas awful illness and complete instability. I think we too readily dismiss this as its easier to say JB did it for the money,

Hello notsure
sorry only just seen this post I quite understand you are busy and cannot respond to all posts don't worry about it.  Jeremy had time to dispose of all his clothes in the weeks before his arrest.  IMO when Ralph was beaten he was near death so would not be capable of resisting so the murderer would not be marked at all. It has always been my opinion that Jeremy convinced Sheila their parents had to be got rid of and Sheila could go off with her birth Mother taking her boys but he tricked her and double crossed her and he did the shooting then killed poor Sheila and her boys she was just present so he would not have had any resistance from her and he could deal with his parents.  Although I think this MAY have happened I can tear it to bits myself so as you said we will never know for sure who killed the family Jeremy or Sheila but my money is on Jeremy.  Think Sheila let him in this is why the dogs did not make a racket.

[Adam]

Hi susan, sorry i dont always have time to stay on the forum for long so forgive me if i didnt respond.

i dont know is the answer?but my point is jb didnt have any marks, blood etc on him either and we dont have that kind of evidence for either of them do we. It works both ways doesnt it? We dont have any proof that either of them did it in my opinion

we have the sound moderator and the blood evidence in that, but thats questionable so that leaves us with which circumstantial evidence we choose to believe.

my feeling on that is that the prosecution were far more forceful  and believable in thier ability to paint a picture of JB the monster murderer.

I cannot dismiss shielas awful illness and complete instability. I think we too readily dismiss this as its easier to say JB did it for the money,

Bamber was padded up. Shooting sleeping people and was not searched for one month.

There are over 30 incriminating forensic points. One alive suspect who had lots of motives, an opportunity and no alibi. Julie is also a witness. Her WS having a 'ring of truth' to it. According to Bamber's lawyers.

[notsure]

I will keep on reading the posts and information and hopefully one day i will reach the right conclusion.

in the meantime we will just have to accept eachotbers opinions.

[susan]

I will keep on reading the posts and information and hopefully one day i will reach the right conclusion.

in the meantime we will just have to accept eachotbers opinions.

Notsure
you are quite right we all have different theories and opinions and we should accept each others.

[Caroline]

Hi susan, sorry i dont always have time to stay on the forum for long so forgive me if i didnt respond.

i dont know is the answer?but my point is jb didnt have any marks, blood etc on him either and we dont have that kind of evidence for either of them do we. It works both ways doesnt it? We dont have any proof that either of them did it in my opinion

we have the sound moderator and the blood evidence in that, but thats questionable so that leaves us with which circumstantial evidence we choose to believe.

my feeling on that is that the prosecution were far more forceful  and believable in thier ability to paint a picture of JB the monster murderer.

I cannot dismiss shielas awful illness and complete instability. I think we too readily dismiss this as its easier to say JB did it for the money,

Personally, I don't think in this instance that it does work both ways - Jeremy had time to clean himself up, there is no reason why he would have injuries but as he was the 'teller of the tale' - he was able to lead the band. Sheila in a psychotic episode wouldn't have taken time out for a wash the notion of 'ritualistic cleaning' is a bit silly.

[lookout]

When was it that granny Bamber died ? I know it's veering off the present conversation but I'd be interested to know.

[Steve_uk]

When was it that granny Bamber died ? I know it's veering off the present conversation but I'd be interested to know.

I don't think it specifically states in the books unless April(Jane) can shed some light on the subject? All I could glean was that around the time Jeremy was studying for A Levels at Colchester College in 1981 Beatrice "Granny" Bamber moved in at White House Farm,leaving Clifton House at Guildford because it had become infested with rats. Nevill did get a carer in to look after his mother but June couldn't cope with her habit of leaving her bed to come downstairs for a sherry of an evening so he eventually put her in a home. By March 1985 Nevill is coming under pressure from his bank manager to sell off some of the flats they converted from the home,so I assume Granny had died by then.