How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[Jane]

http://www.schizophrenic.com/content/schizophrenia-related/depression-and-schizophrenia

The above link is interesting about schizophrenics and depression, Jane.  Almost 50% of PS sufferers also suffer from depression.

Yes Maggie, I do get that, but with schizophrenia it seems to be anxiety which leads clinical depression. I don't think Sheila was clinically depressed -although I get the things she was anxious about- I think she was weighed down psychologically by the path her life had taken. With everything that was going on, all those rejections, which, even the strongest of us, wouldn't have sunk into depression. 

[maggie]

Yes Maggie, I do get that, but with schizophrenia it seems to be anxiety which leads clinical depression. I don't think Sheila was clinically depressed -although I get the things she was anxious about- I think she was weighed down psychologically by the path her life had taken. With everything that was going on, all those rejections, which, even the strongest of us, wouldn't have sunk into depression.

I agree but she may have had clinical depression due to her PS as well, it states 50% of all suffers are depressed so she certainly had a load to carry.  Drugs cause anxiety, life can cause anxiety, lousy relationships and trying over and over to cope with difficult situations cause trauma and general anxiety disorder.  We will never know and I accept it is your field and not mine.....  however it's an interesting article for he layman, although it doesn't prove anything.

[lookout]

She went into a deep depression after the birth of the twins.Post natal depression which a lot of women suffer from.It's pinpointing them that's the problem. Sheila also had to spend more than half her pregnancy in hospital too which is enough in itself to depress anyone. My own daughter had to do in Australia for fear of pre-eclampsia.

[Jane]

She went into a deep depression after the birth of the twins.Post natal depression which a lot of women suffer from.It's pinpointing them that's the problem. Sheila also had to spend more than half her pregnancy in hospital too which is enough in itself to depress anyone. My own daughter had to do in Australia for fear of pre-eclampsia.

I agree but she may have had clinical depression due to her PS as well, it states 50% of all suffers are depressed so she certainly had a load to carry.  Drugs cause anxiety, life can cause anxiety, lousy relationships and trying over and over to cope with difficult situations cause trauma and general anxiety disorder.  We will never know and I accept it is your field and not mine.....  however it's an interesting article for he layman, although it doesn't prove anything.

If this girl was schizophrenic, suffering with clinical depression, anxiety, postnatal depression and the depression which hits because of life circumstances, it's surprising she had the energy to move let alone kill.

[maggie]

If this girl was schizophrenic, suffering with clinical depression, anxiety, postnatal depression and the depression which hits because of life circumstances, it's surprising she had the energy to move let alone kill.

I agree Jane, I haven't enough knowledge to be able to judge whether she would have had the energy or not, in the article it does state if she had depression as well as PS she would be more likely to have a psychotic episode but I'm not claiming she did kill.... just found the article about Paranoid schizophrenia and depression interesting.  I know many PS suffers were, probably still are diagnosed when they attempt suicide and that is the way my cousin was diagnosed when he was 20 and away at university which is quite typical apparently.  He did not attempt to kill anyone but himself but he had no means to do so as he tried to gas himself, I have no idea if there had been a gun to hand if he would have used it against others.  He was a lovely shy and gentle soul.

[lookout]

If she'd been taking her medication pertaining to these illnesses then yes,she'd have remained calm if not zonked-out altogether,but the fact of the matter is that all she had in her system were 5 days left of the antipsychotic,at a reduced dosage with no sign of her having ingested anything else. She probably stopped her medication after her last puff of cannabis which was a few days before.

[Jane]

I agree Jane, I haven't enough knowledge to be able to judge whether she would have had the energy or not, in the article it does state if she had depression as well as PS she would be more likely to have a psychotic episode but I'm not claiming she did kill.... just found the article about Paranoid schizophrenia and depression interesting.  I know many PS suffers were, probably still are diagnosed when they attempt suicide and that is the way my cousin was diagnosed when he was 20 and away at university which is quite typical apparently.  He did not attempt to kill anyone but himself but he had no means to do so as he tried to gas himself, I have no idea if there had been a gun to hand if he would have used it against others.  He was a lovely quiet and gentle soul.

Depression is like trough, Maggie. I don't think Sheila was necessarily depressed when she came out of hospital, it fact she had to have been on a high. She was going to meet her mother for the first time and it seems it was every bit as joyous as she'd hoped, meaning her rejection must have been worse than she could ever have envisaged and dragged her down close to the bottom of the trough. On top of this may have come the realization that there was no chance of getting back together with Colin. Although she's said she was looking forward to getting the boys back she must have known there was no way she could cope with them on her own. She MAY have thought that life wasn't worth living but by this time I really don't believe she'd have had the energy to do anything about it.

[maggie]

Depression is like trough, Maggie. I don't think Sheila was necessarily depressed when she came out of hospital, it fact she had to have been on a high. She was going to meet her mother for the first time and it seems it was every bit as joyous as she'd hoped, meaning her rejection must have been worse than she could ever have envisaged and dragged her down close to the bottom of the trough. On top of this may have come the realization that there was no chance of getting back together with Colin. Although she's said she was looking forward to getting the boys back she must have known there was no way she could cope with them on her own. She MAY have thought that life wasn't worth living but by this time I really don't believe she'd have had the energy to do anything about it.

I just don't know, I understand about depression have seen it at close quarters but taking the words of the article it does say depression with PS can cause more relapses and psychotic episodes, and anti psychotic drugs can add to this, I know I keep saying the same thing but makes me wonder....  and adds to the fact that withdrawal and lack of interest in anything can be the prelude to a psychotic episode......

[nugnug]

i wouldent like to comit myself i think though shes the most likely shooter i cant rule jeremy and i cant rule out the possbility somody elese did.

[Caroline]

I don't have schizophrenia,but have to take medication,daily, to keep me alive.Sometimes you have no choice in life whatever it might be.

That's not what I meant - I'd hate to take medication to keep me sane.

[lookout]

That's not what I meant - I'd hate to take medication to keep me sane.

So would I. It's bad enough having to take what you've been prescribed as a life-long therapy, as someone who never took so much as a paracetamol,I'm not exactly over the moon about it,but have to adhere to the " rules ".However taking medication for mental health issues is a different ball-game and one of trial and error according to the type of illness displayed. Some of the side-effects are quite dangerous both to the mind ( although that's what they're prescribed for ) and also the body and physical well-being and depends on the patient's tolerance of the drug.

[notsure]

Yes I see what you mean Jane, however, imo we don't have any proof that either of them did it if that's what we are basing our findings on,

I just could not convict on the evidence we have available, I wish I could be as sure as you guilters but I cant, maybe I need another couple of years.!!!!

[Jane]

Yes I see what you mean Jane, however, imo we don't have any proof that either of them did it if that's what we are basing our findings on,

I just could not convict on the evidence we have available, I wish I could be as sure as you guilters but I cant, maybe I need another couple of years.!!!!

Not to worry, notsure. You can be notsure for a bit longer.

[susan]

Not to worry, notsure. You can be notsure for a bit longer.

Jane 

[Jane]

Jane 

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