How many people think Sheila was the shooter

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I have never thought Jeremy shot Sheila at her request nor do I think he removed her clothes from WHF but I still think she was present with the knowledge that he was going to shoot their parents only.

Why would he tell her about his plans to kill their parents?  There is no upside in telling her only the risk of her trying to do something to stop it by blabbing, to take it as a joke and tell people or to accidentally blab it.  Her blabbing it would be fatal. There is simply no reason why he would take the risk of her ruining things after his many months of planing finally waiting for her to be there with the boys.

[lookout]

The rifle was kept in the closet of the downstairs office.  There was a shotgun kept in that same closet.  Other shotguns were kept in the bathroom. He didn't have any firearms under his bed.

As for Sheila definitely being willing to shoot her mother- the only thing that would be able to prove her willingness would be if she actually tried. There is zero evidence she ever did.  The notion she did so the same time that someone else killed her is not credible the same person killed everyone with the same rifle.

This was no dress rehearsal so there'd have been no proof of " willingness in killing her mother  ?". It would have been an immediate decision on Sheila's part to have done so for more reasons than enough. One person who didn't appear surprised was Colin,so what did that tell you ?

[Jane]

Perhaps she did and the first time she tried she was successful?

The only way I can see it possible for Sheila to have had a hand in the murders is if Jeremy convinced her that with their parents out of the way she'd be free to start a new life in Canada near Christine.

[susan]

The only way I can see it possible for Sheila to have had a hand in the murders is if Jeremy convinced her that with their parents out of the way she'd be free to start a new life in Canada near Christine.

Jane that is the lines I was thinking on but I guess we will never know.

[susan]

Why would he tell her about his plans to kill their parents?  There is no upside in telling her only the risk of her trying to do something to stop it by blabbing, to take it as a joke and tell people or to accidentally blab it.  Her blabbing it would be fatal. There is simply no reason why he would take the risk of her ruining things after his many months of planing finally waiting for her to be there with the boys.

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he told Julie of his plans so I am told the explanation  given by Jane seems credible to me.

[lookout]

I'd read that things hadn't gone as expected regarding any future after the meeting of Sheila and Christine ?

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This was no dress rehearsal so there'd have been no proof of " willingness in killing her mother  ?". It would have been an immediate decision on Sheila's part to have done so for more reasons than enough. One person who didn't appear surprised was Colin,so what did that tell you ?

That people are willing to believe she killed June because she had a poor relationship with her June doesn't mean much to me.

The physical evidence is clear that she didn't do anything.  The notion that she killed June then someone else killed everyone else doesn't compute.  The same person killed everyone and used the same weapon on everyone.

 

[guest154]

Sheila clearly didn't shoot anyone, not even herself.  Nothing has come to light to show that she did or could have done, there is lots to say she didn't.

[guest154]

I also don't believe it was a two person crime.

[Jane]

Jane that is the lines I was thinking on but I guess we will never know.

There must have been a huge dichotomy between the fun time she spent with Christine and June's more disciplined approach to life. Possibly she saw in Christine something she'd always felt was missing from her own life.

[lookout]

That people are willing to believe she killed June because she had a poor relationship with her June doesn't mean much to me.

The physical evidence is clear that she didn't do anything.  The notion that she killed June then someone else killed everyone else doesn't compute.  The same person killed everyone and used the same weapon on everyone.

 

On the contrary,the physical evidence is crystal clear. You can sense the sheer hatred as the woman had been peppered with bullets,including the one between the eyes which would possibly have been done after June had died,in order to get a direct aim.

[Jane]

Sheila clearly didn't shoot anyone, not even herself.  Nothing has come to light to show that she did or could have done, there is lots to say she didn't.

Mat, I'm not saying she did. I'm saying that it's the only reason I can find for the possibility of her doing it.

[susan]

Sheila clearly didn't shoot anyone, not even herself.  Nothing has come to light to show that she did or could have done, there is lots to say she didn't.

Mat
I agree with you all I am saying he may have convinced Sheila their parents needed to go and she went along with it this would mean he could carry out the murders of their parents without interference from her I think the anonymous letter has a degree of truth about it but he told it differently than actually happened to his cell mate.

[guest154]

Mat, I'm not saying she did. I'm saying that it's the only reason I can find for the possibility of her doing it.

I was answering the topic, not your post sorry Apes! 

 

Mat
I agree with you all I am saying he may have convinced Sheila their parents needed to go and she went along with it this would mean he could carry out the murders of their parents without interference from her I think the anonymous letter has a degree of truth about it but he told it differently than actually happened to his cell mate.

I do agree the letter had some truth to it and whoever wrote it had certainly spent a good amount of time with Bamber from a few clues written in the letter, I wouldn't be surprised it Bamber did tell the writer that is how the crime happened, I just don't think Bamber was telling the truth and don't think it happened that way.

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he told Julie of his plans so I am told the explanation  given by Jane seems credible to me.

He told Julie well in advance.  He did so before he was sure he was even going to do it.  He complained to her about them.  He needed someone to bitch to and she was his choice.  She didn't blab and he even thought she was trying to help him with the sleeping pills so he used her as his confidant and thus kept her appraised of his plans.

That is a big difference between planning everything out and deciding to try confiding his intentions in his sister when he had no reason to and she would be able to ruin everything. He didn't need Sheila's help, he didn't have a confidant type relationship with her where confiding in her would provide him comfort and have any other reason that would benefit him from telling her.

It's no more believable than the police approaching the family and asking them to agree to help lie about finding the moderator. The situations are analogous.  Police had no need to recruit the family for such and the family could end up ratting them out intentionally or unintentionally and thus could ruin everything.