How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[buddy]

I do not believe that Sheila was the shooter, at least not alone.
I care not about her mental state, as I do not think she could have shot her children.
If Sheila was in a mental state then the shootings would have been more random, not methodical.

[susan]

I do not believe that Sheila was the shooter, at least not alone.
I care not about her mental state, as I do not think she could have shot her children.
If Sheila was in a mental state then the shootings would have been more random, not methodical.

Hi Buddy

I have a feeling Sheila was involved in the murders but not actually in the shootings I don't think she shot anyone.

[buddy]

Hi Buddy

I have a feeling Sheila was involved in the murders but not actually in the shootings I don't think she shot anyone.

I don't think she had anything to do with the murders.
A mothers natural instincts is to protect her children , nuts or not.

[Jan]

I do not believe that Sheila was the shooter, at least not alone.
I care not about her mental state, as I do not think she could have shot her children.
If Sheila was in a mental state then the shootings would have been more random, not methodical.

why do you not think she would shoot the children when she admitted herself she was a danger to them and had thought they were a product of the devil? And Colin was not the person who went to the police saying she would never have shot her children , initially he seemed to accept that fact?

[susan]

I don't think she had anything to do with the murders.
A mothers natural instincts is to protect her children , nuts or not.

Buddy

I don't think for one minute Sheila thought her boys or herself would be shot she was double crossed IMO

[scipio_usmc]

I do not believe that Sheila was the shooter, at least not alone.
I care not about her mental state, as I do not think she could have shot her children.
If Sheila was in a mental state then the shootings would have been more random, not methodical.

If Sheila were responsible for the other 4 murders then at minimum she would have had GSR on her hands and clothing, medium velocity spatter from Nevill on her clothing and body and her hands and nails would have had some sort of damage they would not have been completely unscathed unless she wore gloves but then the gloves would have been found at the scene.

It's impossible for her to have killed herself, someone else shot her, removed the moderator and put it away, moved her body flat, left the gun on her and put the Bible in a pool of her blood that formed after she died.

I don't find the notion that she took part in the other  murders but was double-crossed and murdered credible.  It seems obvious to me that a single person was responsible for all the deaths.  The physical evidence proves that person wasn't her.  The physical evidence doesn't prove who did it only that she didn't. Non-physical evidence proves Jeremy did it.

 

 

[susan]

If Sheila were responsible for the other 4 murders then at minimum she would have had GSR on her hands and clothing, medium velocity spatter from Nevill on her clothing and body and her hands and nails would have had some sort of damage they would not have been completely unscathed unless she wore gloves but then the gloves would have been found at the scene.

It's impossible for her to have killed herself, someone else shot her, removed the moderator and put it away, moved her body flat, left the gun on her and put the Bible in a pool of her blood that formed after she died.

I don't find the notion that she took part in the other  murders but was double-crossed and murdered credible.  It seems obvious to me that a single person was responsible for all the deaths.  The physical evidence proves that person wasn't her.  The physical evidence doesn't prove who did it only that she didn't. Non-physical evidence proves Jeremy did it.

 

 

Hi Scipio

the anonymous letter received by PH from an ex con states that Jeremy told him Sheila was involved.  I think the story could be quite credible other than Sheila did not fire any shots nor did Jeremy take her stained clothes home with him that is utter nonsense if she had fired any shots it would have been more convincing to EP if she had gun residue on her hands and clothes.  Maybe Jeremy convinced Sheila that their parents had to go and in all innocence she stood by whilst they were being shot. If this was not the case how did he manage to shoot his parents Sheila would have tried to intervene.

[lookout]

Sheila would definitely have shot her mother,no doubt about that, which is evident by the sheer frenzy of the shooter,but it's what followed that's the difficult bit,or how it all began when they were all in their bedrooms,presumably settling in for the night.
Why did Neville move out of the bedroom when his wife was being murdered ? Why did any of them leave the boys ? Unless they thought they wouldn't be shot as well,I don't know. Who but a maniac would have killed the children ?
No,I don't believe Sheila shot herself----------not with a rifle anyway,it's impossible.
Do we know if Neville's gun/rifle was under the bed ? If so,for what reason ?

[Caroline]

why do you not think she would shoot the children when she admitted herself she was a danger to them and had thought they were a product of the devil? And Colin was not the person who went to the police saying she would never have shot her children , initially he seemed to accept that fact?

Although he accepted that Sheila might have killed herself, Colin had a hard time accepting that she would have killed the boy's but as he was being told this by the police, he had no reason to believe they were wrong.

[scipio_usmc]

Hi Scipio

the anonymous letter received by PH from an ex con states that Jeremy told him Sheila was involved.  I think the story could be quite credible other than Sheila did not fire any shots nor did Jeremy take her stained clothes home with him that is utter nonsense if she had fired any shots it would have been more convincing to EP if she had gun residue on her hands and clothes.  Maybe Jeremy convinced Sheila that their parents had to go and in all innocence she stood by whilst they were being shot. If this was not the case how did he manage to shoot his parents Sheila would have tried to intervene.

I don't find it credible at all. Jeremy has done nothing but lie.  If he did tell the story to a criminal he clearly lied to him as well. Prisoners lie to other prisoners all the time.  They exaggerate how bad they are to rough/tough prisoners and meek prisoners who they want to befriend they try to downplay anything bad they did.

The story is contrived purely to mitigate his own responsibility. It blames Sheila for the other murders and says he shot her only but at Sheila's request. This story is invented to use on someone who faces that the evidence proves that Sheila didn't kill herself. Some people are willing to overlook such evidence and to believe it was manufactured. Most though face this evidence.  So the story faces this evidence  but mitigates the death by claiming he did it at her request.  It also deals with the fact that there was no evidence on her body and clothes with the nonsense that he let her get washed and disposed of her clothing.  This tale was entirely made up it is not credible at all.  It was made up as a way to explain the state of the evidence and yet still minimize his culpability.

[Jan]

Although he accepted that Sheila might have killed herself, Colin had a hard time accepting that she would have killed the boy's but as he was being told this by the police, he had no reason to believe they were wrong.

The family were told the same thing and they did seem to have problems believing the police .
He also did not mention to the police of her having no experience with guns or being so un-coordinated that she could not have committed the crime . If Jb is guilty it does seem that the relatives are to be thanked for pointing out the things he did not .

[scipio_usmc]

Sheila would definitely have shot her mother,no doubt about that, which is evident by the sheer frenzy of the shooter,but it's what followed that's the difficult bit,or how it all began when they were all in their bedrooms,presumably settling in for the night.
Why did Neville move out of the bedroom when his wife was being murdered ? Why did any of them leave the boys ? Unless they thought they wouldn't be shot as well,I don't know. Who but a maniac would have killed the children ?
No,I don't believe Sheila shot herself----------not with a rifle anyway,it's impossible.
Do we know if Neville's gun/rifle was under the bed ? If so,for what reason ?

The rifle was kept in the closet of the downstairs office.  There was a shotgun kept in that same closet.  Other shotguns were kept in the bathroom. He didn't have any firearms under his bed.

As for Sheila definitely being willing to shoot her mother- the only thing that would be able to prove her willingness would be if she actually tried. There is zero evidence she ever did.  The notion she did so the same time that someone else killed her is not credible the same person killed everyone with the same rifle.



 

 

[Caroline]

The family were told the same thing and they did seem to have problems believing the police .
He also did not mention to the police of her having no experience with guns or being so un-coordinated that she could not have committed the crime . If Jb is guilty it does seem that the relatives are to be thanked for pointing out the things he did not .

He knew his wife was ill, in was suffering from extreme grief having just lost his two sons. He accepted what he was told and he wasn't as familiar with Jeremy's behaviour as the relatives were.

[susan]

I don't find it credible at all. Jeremy has done nothing but lie.  If he did tell the story to a criminal he clearly lied to him as well. Prisoners lie to other prisoners all the time.  They exaggerate how bad they are to rough/tough prisoners and meek prisoners who they want to befriend they try to downplay anything bad they did.

The story is contrived purely to mitigate his own responsibility. It blames Sheila for the other murders and says he shot her only but at Sheila's request. This story is invented to use on someone who faces that the evidence proves that Sheila didn't kill herself. Some people are willing to overlook such evidence and to believe it was manufactured. Most though face this evidence.  So the story faces this evidence  but mitigates the death by claiming he did it at her request.  It also deals with the fact that there was no evidence on her body and clothes with the nonsense that he let her get washed and disposed of her clothing.  This tale was entirely made up it is not credible at all.  It was made up as a way to explain the state of the evidence and yet still minimize his culpability.

Scipio
I have never thought Jeremy shot Sheila at her request nor do I think he removed her clothes from WHF but I still think she was present with the knowledge that he was going to shoot their parents only.

[Jan]

The rifle was kept in the closet of the downstairs office.  There was a shotgun kept in that same closet.  Other shotguns were kept in the bathroom. He didn't have any firearms under his bed.

As for Sheila definitely being willing to shoot her mother- the only thing that would be able to prove her willingness would be if she actually tried. There is zero evidence she ever did.  The notion she did so the same time that someone else killed her is not credible the same person killed everyone with the same rifle.

Perhaps she did and the first time she tried she was successful?