Colin said he would have killed June

[lookout]

Then Stan Jones took it as read from AE when she told him that it was menstrual blood in one bucket because " it smelled different " from normal blood. What sort of a person would have fallen for that ?
As he stood there with a pair of canvas shoes under his arm and told AE not to say anything.

Makes you wonder doesn't it ?

Stan Jones had also prompted AE to tell the court that menstrual blood smelled differently from blood in general. He'd said " be sure to mention that in court "

[lookout]

 It's " little underhanded " things like this that make me believe that Jeremy is innocent. I wonder why AE went along with it if she thought it was wrong ? I thought they were honest people and she should have questioned this about the shoes.

[Jane]

I simply made a factual inference. The housekeeper claimed June would soak clothing in buckets and leave them in the laundry area.  She said Sheila would leave her panties in the kitchen soaking though.  Sheila's panties were soaking in the kitchen. Next to them were children's pants soaking.  The logical inference is Sheila not only soaked her panties but the pant since June would leave such in the laundry area if she had soaked them.

I also pointed out that Jeremy complained that Sheila took the boys to visit him as he was using the tractor.  his shows she at least spent some time with them on the farm.  Thus saying she spent no time with them at all and totally ignored them fully doesn't work.

We don't know how much time she spent with them at WHF but it makes little difference she did obviously spend some and obviously had some interest in them not none at all.   

And who said she didn't? I never said she didn't spend SOME time with them. I allowed for the time she was seen skipping with them. Actually, I'm doing what you do. I'm listening to the evidence of those who knew her best. You are making a play of what you don't know to make something out of it. I'm using what I do know, part of which is this, a girl as low in spirits as Sheila  wasn't suddenly going to turn into a bright ray of sunshine when she was trapped in a place she didn't want to be. A girl whose children have to live with their father because of her inability to cope isn't miraculously going to become Mother of the year. You DISREGARD what those said who knew her, even her mother's words "she has no interest in anything including the children."

As for you "for the moment dealing with my ignorance and lack of knowledge" it's clearly something which you're practised at coping with as you appear the believe that everyone who isn't you is ignorant, stupid or a liar. You seem not to like that you can't say exactly what she did at the farm, presumably it would give you more leverage with which to feed your rather unhealthy need to be right at other's expense. You really are a very xxxxx,xxxxxxxx xxxxxx man.

[lookout]

You do really have to ask yourself what else was moved. I'd want to know, in all fairness when the fate of a young man was in the balance. In fact,I couldn't do what had been done,my conscience wouldn't allow it.

[susan]

Stan Jones had also prompted AE to tell the court that menstrual blood smelled differently from blood in general. He'd said " be sure to mention that in court "

Lookout
Little Nun who was previously on this forum did an experiment on the two types of blood on garments soaking in water and she said that menstrual blood smelt the same as blood in general so it appears AE was incorrect saying one was different.

[maggie]

It's " little underhanded " things like this that make me believe that Jeremy is innocent. I wonder why AE went along with it if she thought it was wrong ? I thought they were honest people and she should have questioned this about the shoes.

Have been trying to find the statement but can't remember his name so it's a bit time consuming and don't have much at the moment.

[lookout]

Lookout
Little Nun who was previously on this forum did an experiment on the two types of blood on garments soaking in water and she said that menstrual blood smelt the same as blood in general so it appears AE was incorrect saying one was different.

Of course AE was wrong,but it makes you wonder if she'd been told to say that just because there was knickers in soak and that's why there was no further interest in the contents of the buckets.

[Jane]

Of course AE was wrong,but it makes you wonder if she'd been told to say that just because there was knickers in soak and that's why there was no further interest in the contents of the buckets.

Lookout, it was only a bucket, NOT a bath. There is a limit to how much it will hold before water spills.

[lookout]

Evidence incriminating Sheila had been removed. Otherwise why take away those shoes ? The shoes which prevented Sheila from getting blood on her feet. EP need to be questioned about those and their reason for the removal of them from a crime scene.

[Steve_uk]

There's a photo of them tucked under the bed somewhere. Or am I mistaking them for Nevill's slippers?

[lookout]

Probably surreptitiously shoved under the bed out of sight until later.

[maggie]

There's a photo of them tucked under the bed somewhere. Or am I mistaking them for Nevill's slippers?

Nevill'sl slippers were by the bed nearest the door, steve.  There isn't a photo of the shoes but there is a comment by AE about the canvas shoes being taken away from the bedroom and the comment that it was best not to mention them for some reason....

[scipio_usmc]

And who said she didn't? I never said she didn't spend SOME time with them. I allowed for the time she was seen skipping with them. Actually, I'm doing what you do. I'm listening to the evidence of those who knew her best. You are making a play of what you don't know to make something out of it. I'm using what I do know, part of which is this, a girl as low in spirits as Sheila  wasn't suddenly going to turn into a bright ray of sunshine when she was trapped in a place she didn't want to be. A girl whose children have to live with their father because of her inability to cope isn't miraculously going to become Mother of the year. You DISREGARD what those said who knew her, even her mother's words "she has no interest in anything including the children."

As for you "for the moment dealing with my ignorance and lack of knowledge" it's clearly something which you're practised at coping with as you appear the believe that everyone who isn't you is ignorant, stupid or a liar. You seem not to like that you can't say exactly what she did at the farm, presumably it would give you more leverage with which to feed your rather unhealthy need to be right at other's expense. You really are a very xxxxx,xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx man.

You are the one xxxxx xxx xxxxxxxx.  You think you are in a position to know all about the relationships and their psyches. Your xxxxxxx knowledge leaves us no position to think such and if you had half the xxxxx xx xxxxxxxxxxxx you think you possess than you would be aware of your own limitations.

 

[Steve_uk]

Nevill'sl slippers were by the bed nearest the door, steve.  There isn't a photo of the shoes but there is a comment by AE about the canvas shoes being taken away from the bedroom and the comment that it was best not to mention them for some reason....

I've seen a photo on this site of some footwear or other sticking out from a bed..

[maggie]

I've seen a photo on this site of some footwear or other sticking out from a bed..

Not sure what that was Steve, is it in the archives?  Are you talking about Sheila's room because what at least appears to be Nevill's sippers were just by the bed......  Not sure if that photo is in the archives, I rmember it was Caroline who first pointed them out.