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Offline lookout

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2015, 02:59:PM »
So you only support info when it's written in defence of Jeremy? The man is  proven fraud and a liar, had this been written from a guilty perspective, you be screaming what a fraud and a liar he is.  ;D ;D ;D ;D






But what he's written isn't lies nor is it fraud. I know nothing about the man himself.
I'm sure if he'd written something which was damning towards Jeremy you'd wholeheartedly agree ? Being as I'm a supporter I'd naturally agree regardless of who'd written it.
Usually fraudulent people do have a tendency to be cleverer than most anyway to be one step ahead of their game, as I knew of 3 bona-fide solicitors who were jailed for embezzlement.

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2015, 05:29:PM »
Why did Jeremy even hire Dodgy Distefano?  Not good for Jeremy's PR

Because DiStefano was telling him things he wanted to hear so Jeremy liked him.  Jeremy didn't check into his background to make sure he was a real lawyer he just believed it.  Years later when it was discovered he was a fraud.
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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2015, 06:15:PM »
But what he's written isn't lies nor is it fraud. I know nothing about the man himself.
I'm sure if he'd written something which was damning towards Jeremy you'd wholeheartedly agree ? Being as I'm a supporter I'd naturally agree regardless of who'd written it.
Usually fraudulent people do have a tendency to be cleverer than most anyway to be one step ahead of their game, as I knew of 3 bona-fide solicitors who were jailed for embezzlement.

DiStefano did indeed lie in this document.  He lied in order to pretend that this is new evidence.  He also demonstrated a complete lack of a legal mind because he effectively admitted the evidence wasn't new by admitting the jury saw the very photos of June he complained of.  The fact the jury saw them and thus the trial defense saw them means it is not new evidence.  They had the ability to have someone examine the photos and assess the various wounds. 

He lied saying Vanezis only noted linear wounds on Nevill's arms:

"For the purposes of the Defence, the Crown and the Learned Trial Judge and further the Court of Appeal the evidence was that to the right forearm of Ralph Neville Bamber there existed ONLY bruising of a linear type." 

The truth is that Vanezis noted the non-linear wounds as well.  DiStefano tries to use this lie to say it was hidden from the defense that there were non-linear marks.  Vanezis noted them so this is false but even if Vanezis had not noted such the defense had access to the photos detailing the non-linear wounds and could have had an expert testify about them. New evidence means evidence the defense would have no way of knowing about.

We have seen the photos of Nevill's arms that were provided to the defense and jury and they show non-linear marks.  To me and others who have experience with weapons the non-linear abrasions were made by the tip of the rifle stock.  When the stock tip hit just a small area it created the non-linear marks.  When it glanced against the arms and kept going and thus was dragged across it created the linear marks. His claim that they were nail marks is false.  That is why he failed to find any expert to assess such and why the trial defense failed to find anyone to assess such.  His claim it was because Vanezis didn't assess there were any non-linear marks and all photos showing the non-linear marks concealed from the defense thus they didn't have any way to do any independent research is hogwash.

June's nightgown covered to her wrists.  Her wrists and hands were the only parts of her limbs that were exposed.  He claims that in a photo from the morgue that the jury saw he sees a single mark on one of her arms (he doesn't indicate where so we don't know whether it was her wrist of instead a location where her sleeve was covering.  He said he can tell it was made by a fingernail.  This is totally inadequate to refuting Vanezis' assessment that she had no wounds on her arms.  He provides no expert testimony that it is definitely a wound let alone that it was made by a fingernail. His non-expert opinion is not worth anything and should not be relied upon by anyone who wants to discuss this case in an accurate fashion. 

       

   
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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2015, 06:38:PM »
According to Claire Powell June's nightdress was blown apart with the force of the shootings  ::) Didn't look like it to me in the photo's,but there you are,it depends who can beat who in the sensationalism stakes in journalism and as an author.
Di Stefano obviously spoke his mind without wrapping anything up which EP and co.omitted either on purpose or not. I didn't detect any deliberate lies in what Di Stefano had written. Well it hadn't been contested or contradicted.

Anyway,even a bona fide solicitor couldn't get his head around the case,let alone a fraudster,so what does that tell you ? I didn't like Napley anyway. Sometimes it's best to steer clear of these high-flying lawyers or those who appear to be held in high esteem. 

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2015, 06:42:PM »
Well they look like finger nail marks to me.

quite nasty agressive ones at that.


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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2015, 06:43:PM »
Of course they do,notsure---------------and they are !!

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2015, 07:00:PM »
Well they look like finger nail marks to me.

quite nasty agressive ones at that.

Nailmarks:







The Nevill photo DiStefano was referring to:



He is wrong which is why he failed to find any expert support.
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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2015, 07:06:PM »
Nailmarks:







The Nevill photo DiStefano was referring to:



He is wrong which is why he failed to find any expert support.


That guy categorically ISN'T Neville.

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2015, 07:37:PM »

That guy categorically ISN'T Neville.

I didn't claim he was. I posted his face to show what nail marks look like. 

I clearly noted the last photo is the photo of Nevill's arm that DiStefano was referring to.  The large fresh wound was clearly made the tip of the rifle stock not fingers.  The other tiny marks probably predated the murders and could even be dirt, he did work at a farm...

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2015, 08:05:PM »
Why did Jeremy even hire Dodgy Distefano?  Not good for Jeremy's PR

I agree but he probably had no idea he was basically a crook and he did what Jeremy wanted.
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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2015, 08:11:PM »
I didn't claim he was. I posted his face to show what nail marks look like. 

I clearly noted the last photo is the photo of Nevill's arm that DiStefano was referring to.  The large fresh wound was clearly made the tip of the rifle stock not fingers.  The other tiny marks probably predated the murders and could even be dirt, he did work at a farm...


I wasn't suggesting that YOU made the claim. Because I took "The Neville picture DiStephano was referring to" as referring to the man's face, I thought it was HE who was making the claim.

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2015, 08:19:PM »
Well they look like finger nail marks to me.

quite nasty agressive ones at that.
I wonder if they could have been made by the false nails in Sheila's sponge bag.

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2015, 08:20:PM »
Nailmarks:







The Nevill photo DiStefano was referring to:



He is wrong which is why he failed to find any expert support.

These pictures just show scratches - the following link shows gouges which look more like the marks on Nevill's arm.

http://koronfelsforensicmedicine.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/strangulationmanualnail-abrasions.html
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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2015, 08:27:PM »
Those scratches have been done while there's been movement of the hand/ nails being drawn down.Neville's were done as a grab and dig in without the downward movement,as in gouging.

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Re: CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2015, 08:32:PM »
Those scratches have been done while there's been movement of the hand/ nails being drawn down.Neville's were done as a grab and dig in without the downward movement,as in gouging.
Anyone with long nails only needs to dig their nail into their arm to see what a gouge would look like and the marks on Nevill's arm do look like gouges to me however they could have been made with a different weapon.