CCRC letter by Dodgy Di Stefano

[notsure]

Scipio sometimes u really show ur bias. Those marks are nail gouge marks. Someone grabbing someones arm and diggjng in then puling away. I am sure if you goigle it YOU would be able to find some images. You just googled scratch marks. Play fair

[Jane]

Anyone with long nails only needs to dig their nail into their arm to see what a gouge would look like and the marks on Nevill's arm do look like gouges to me however they could have been made with a different weapon.

My nails are pathetically short at the moment. A couple can JUST about be seen when I have may palm  towards me. However, my short nails are capable of tearing skin using a dig in and pull downwards movement......................'cause I've just tried!!!

[lookout]

Anyone with long nails only needs to dig their nail into their arm to see what a gouge would look like and the marks on Nevill's arm do look like gouges to me however they could have been made with a different weapon.

False nails would have that effect Maggie as there's no feeling against your own nails.No nail-bed to indicate the true force of damaging someone if you get my meaning. It's like using a tool whereby because it isn't " attached " to your body,you don't feel the pain or realise the force that's used.No wonder Sheila lost one of the nails the pressure that she must have used would have been tremendous. 

[Caroline]

Those scratches have been done while there's been movement of the hand/ nails being drawn down.Neville's were done as a grab and dig in without the downward movement,as in gouging.

I just said that Lookout, these are the pictures from the link. Gouges not scratches.

[maggie]

My nails are pathetically short at the moment. A couple can JUST about be seen when I have may palm  towards me. However, my short nails are capable of tearing skin using a dig in and pull downwards movement......................'cause I've just tried!!!

  I know, it hurts 

[lookout]

I just said that Lookout, these are the pictures from the link. Gouges not scratches.

I hadn't noticed you'd said it Caroline.I'm having problems with the laptop tonight,it's " not responding ".

[Caroline]

I hadn't noticed you'd said it Caroline.I'm having problems with the laptop tonight,it's " not responding ".

That's OK Lookout, gouge pics posted 

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio sometimes u really show ur bias. Those marks are nail gouge marks. Someone grabbing someones arm and diggjng in then puling away. I am sure if you goigle it YOU would be able to find some images. You just googled scratch marks. Play fair

I am one of the few unbiased and that is why I am actually accurate unlike many.  There is no such thing as a nail gouge mark that is completely round. The tip of the stock made this gouge



These are all from the rifle stock not finger nails which is why the defense found no experts to suggest they were:

[Caroline]

I am one of the few unbiased and that is why I am actually accurate unlike many.  There is no such thing as a nail gouge mark that is completely round. The tip of the stock made this gouge



These are all from the rifle stock not finger nails which is why the defense found no experts to suggest they were:

Even though I agree with you - no one can say for definite what caused the gouges and yours (like everyone else's) is an opinion!

[scipio_usmc]

Even though I agree with you - no one can say for definite what caused the gouges and yours (like everyone else's) is an opinion!

I can be definite because of 2 things.  One is I have seen such wounds before.  The other is context.  Not only are these the exact wounds made by a rifle butt, we know he was beaten with a rifle butt to the degree the stock actually broke. That context and knowing there was nothing else found there that would have been used to make such marks is what makes it definite.

 

[scipio_usmc]

Since people like interpreting photos so much I wonder if people could guess:

1) why type of wound this is

2) how it was caused

The latter I don't expect anyone to actually get but I wonder how many will even identify the type of wound correctly.  The photo was taken 12 hours after it was suffered.

I will give two hints. Even though it looks like some of the finger nail marks it was not made by a nail.  Hint 2 is that it is from something related to the murders.

   

[Caroline]

Since people like interpreting photos so much I wonder if people could guess:

1) why type of wound this is

2) how it was caused

The latter I don't expect anyone to actually get but I wonder how many will even identify the type of wound correctly.  The photo was taken 12 hours after it was suffered.

I will give two hints. Even though it looks like some of the finger nail marks it was not made by a nail.  Hint 2 is that it is from something related to the murders.

 

No idea but I wouldn't have said it looked like a fingernail gouge. It just looks like a scratch from something.

[lookout]

On Neville's arm,I can see the " half-moon " impression that you'd expect to see when a nail's dug in.
Elderly skin is a lot different in texture to younger skin which still retains its elasticity,so is more difficult to leave the same impression. Elderly skin loses a layer of epidermis.

[Jane]

On Neville's arm,I can see the " half-moon " impression that you'd expect to see when a nail's dug in.
Elderly skin is a lot different in texture to younger skin which still retains its elasticity,so is more difficult to leave the same impression. Elderly skin loses a layer of epidermis.

I concur that as elderly skin loses elasticity it tears more easily, but at 61 Neville doesn't fit the bill of being elderly. Elderly skin bruises readily, leaving large rounded blood stains under the surface. If the skin becomes torn -which can occur as easily as the skin being rubbed against another surface- it will bleed for England. IMO, the marks on Neville's arm are too uniformly rounded to be nail gouges and I'm looking at the more straight edged marks -which STILL remain!!!-  from digging my short nails into my arm last night.

[lookout]

I concur that as elderly skin loses elasticity it tears more easily, but at 61 Neville doesn't fit the bill of being elderly. Elderly skin bruises readily, leaving large rounded blood stains under the surface. If the skin becomes torn -which can occur as easily as the skin being rubbed against another surface- it will bleed for England. IMO, the marks on Neville's arm are too uniformly rounded to be nail gouges and I'm looking at the more straight edged marks -which STILL remain!!!-  from digging my short nails into my arm last night.

Elderly or not,by its very nature, Neville didn't have the skin of a 20 year old,or even a 30/40 year old and therefore would be more prone to damage however it happened. Some people bruise more easily than others anyway.Neville was fair and fair skinned so it would be more prominent.
He wouldn't have bled so profusely being dead anyway.
Strange how we haven't seen the ONE dug-in nail mark on June ? That would have been telling I imagine