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Reconstruction of events (2)
« on: December 12, 2010, 05:47:PM »
Reconstruction of events, between 7am and 7:30am

7:00am - second group of firearms officers, including PI Montgomery, and WPC Julia Jeapes, arrive at the scene, along with two Emergency ambulances, and their crews. One of the ambulances is sent straight to the house, whilst the other is held on standby in Pages Lane

7:15am - whilst being deployed in the role of a containment officer in the grounds of WHF, WPC Julia Jeapes, spots what she believes to be a rifle which is now leaning up against the main bedroom window, which was not seen their previously. As a result of this sighting, senior officers make plans to force entry into farmhouse by door on opposite side of building - rear external kitchen door, which they choose to smash open by use of a sledge hammer, believing that Sheila was currently upstairs in the bedroom, with the gun

7:30am - a team of six armed police officers, commences its approach to enter the farmhouse, by the aforementioned, back kitchen door, including, PC Collins, PS Woodcock
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 05:51:PM »
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The sighting of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, by WPC Julia Jeapes, was spotted at the very same bedroom window, at which PS Bews, PC Myal, and Jeremy, had previously spotted the lurking silhouetted figure, soon after their arrival at the scene
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:18:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 05:58:PM »
Who moved gun from window, onto body, between 7:15am, and 8:30am?

Much later, the police would say they entered the main bedroom and they found the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila, the latter having the Bamber rifle on top of her body - and more interestingly, they would say that there was only one gun found inside that bedroom. This is rather puzzling in view of the fact that WPC Julia Jeapes, reported seeing what she believed to be a rifle leaning up against that bedroom window, earlier...

How could there now only be one gun found in the main bedroom, and it be found on top of Sheila's body, when at 7:15am, it was leaning up against the bedroom window?

How did the rifle get from leaning up against the bedroom window at 7:15am, to being found on top of Sheila's body by 8:30am?

The police version of events does not fit the (now) known facts...

« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:17:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 06:03:PM »
Statement made by WPC Julia Jeapes, not Disclosed


Although, WPC Julia Jeapes, made a witness statement outlining her sighting of the rifle at the bedroom window, this was not disclosed to Jeremy or his legal team, and the court which tried him, never got to learn about the significance, if any, of, WPC Julia Jeapes, sighting of the rifle, which was leaning up against the bedroom window, some fifteen minutes before armed police forced their way into the building...
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:15:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 06:10:PM »
Only Fingerprints found on Rifle, belonged to Jeremy and Sheila

Working on a reliance of elimination, if the only fingerprints found on the Bamber rifle, were those belonging to Jeremy, and to Sheila, therefore, it must be odds on, that Sheila moved the rifle from the bedroom window, as seen there by WPC Julia Jeapes, at around 7:15am,  to enable it to end up on Sheila's  body by 8:30am, since, Jeremy was outside the farmhouse, and in the company of the police, and he had been in their company, ever since his arrival at the scene, from about 3:54am, that morning...
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:19:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 06:29:PM »
Silencer could not have been fitted to the Bamber rifle

If, as the police allege, there was only one gun found in the bedroom, and it was found on top of Sheila's body, by the time they got into the bedroom, at 8:30am,  it must follow that Sheila removed the rifle from its original position at 7:15am, of leaning up against the broom window, and she used it to commit suicide, by shooting herself by use of it, under the chin. If the police found that rifle in the bedroom, as alleged, minus a silencer, there is no way on gods earth, that Jeremy, or any as yet unidentified killer, could have removed the silencer from the end of the guns barrel, after 7:15am, and taken it all the way downstairs, to conceal it in the gun cupboard, and then go back upstairs to stage manage Sheila's body, to make it look like she shot herself, and committed suicide, by use of the Bamber rifle, minus the silencer, when all along the silencer had been used on that gun, to fire the fatal bullet under the chin...

There would have been no such opportunity for anyone to have been able to remove the silencer between the time WPC Julia Jeapes spotted it leaning up against the bedroom window at about 7:15am, and when Sheila's body ended up on the bedroom floor with the Bamber rifle on top of her body by about 8:30am - it's a s simple as that

The only conclusion which can be drawn, is that Sheila was not shot and killed by use of a gun with a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel, in the bedroom, and her blood did not get into the silencer by a process of backspatter, as alleged by the ballistic expert, otherwise, the police would have found a silencer fitted to the end of the Bamber rifles barrel, when they found Sheila's body in the bedroom with the rifle on top of it...
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:35:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 06:42:PM »
No silencer fitted to rifle spotted at bedroom window

WPC Julia Jeapes, was a trained firearms instructor, with Essex police. At the time she spotted the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, she did not report that there was a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel...

When the police found Sheila's body in the bedroom, the Bamber rifle which was found on top of her body, also did not have a silencer fitted to its barrel...

If there was only one gun found in that bedroom, that gun did not have a silencer fitted to its barrel, at any stage, not when WPC Julia Jeapes spotted it leaning up against the bedroom window, at 7:15am, or later, when the police eventually found Sheila's body in the bedroom, with the Bamber rifle on top of her body...
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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 09:10:AM »
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The sighting of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, by WPC Julia Jeapes, was spotted at the very same bedroom window, at which PS Bews, PC Myal, and Jeremy, had previously spotted the lurking silhouetted figure, soon after their arrival at the scene
Hmmm. The window at which the police officers and JB thought they spotted a figure was at the rear of the house,top right hand window,which we now know to be the boys room?

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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 09:44:AM »
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The sighting of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, by WPC Julia Jeapes, was spotted at the very same bedroom window, at which PS Bews, PC Myal, and Jeremy, had previously spotted the lurking silhouetted figure, soon after their arrival at the scene
Hmmm. The window at which the police officers and JB thought they spotted a figure was at the rear of the house,top right hand window,which we now know to be the boys room?

I don't think it's the boys' room. There's a window which appears to be in that box room between the main window and the boys' room, and I think it must have been that one.

I'm sure I saw a photo of that side of the house on here but I can't find it now.

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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 10:38:AM »
Who moved gun from window, onto body, between 7:15am, and 8:30am?

Much later, the police would say they entered the main bedroom and they found the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila, the latter having the Bamber rifle on top of her body - and more interestingly, they would say that there was only one gun found inside that bedroom. This is rather puzzling in view of the fact that WPC Julia Jeapes, reported seeing what she believed to be a rifle leaning up against that bedroom window, earlier...

How could there now only be one gun found in the main bedroom, and it be found on top of Sheila's body, when at 7:15am, it was leaning up against the bedroom window?

How did the rifle get from leaning up against the bedroom window at 7:15am, to being found on top of Sheila's body by 8:30am?

The police version of events does not fit the (now) known facts...

This is what I was saying the other day.  You would think the member of a specialist firearms team, specifically placed on observational duty, in an extremely serious situation still unfolding, would have a certain level of professional competence.  For me personally, I would need to know what else her sighting could have been, if it was not a rifle.  This issue really stands out for me.

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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 10:57:AM »
Can mike tesko tell us whether the police checked Anthony Pargeter's rifle for fingerprints, and whether his or anyone else's prints were found on it? Also, has Jeremy ever been asked why he didn't point out to the police that entry could be gained quite easily, and quietly, through a window?

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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 01:07:PM »
Reconstruction of events, between 7am and 7:30am

7:00am - second group of firearms officers, including PI Montgomery, and WPC Julia Jeapes, arrive at the scene, along with two Emergency ambulances, and their crews. One of the ambulances is sent straight to the house, whilst the other is held on standby in Pages Lane

7:15am - whilst being deployed in the role of a containment officer in the grounds of WHF, WPC Julia Jeapes, spots what she believes to be a rifle which is now leaning up against the main bedroom window, which was not seen their previously. As a result of this sighting, senior officers make plans to force entry into farmhouse by door on opposite side of building - rear external kitchen door, which they choose to smash open by use of a sledge hammer, believing that Sheila was currently upstairs in the bedroom, with the gun

7:30am - a team of six armed police officers, commences its approach to enter the farmhouse, by the aforementioned, back kitchen door, including, PC Collins, PS Woodcock

WPC Jeapes NEVER said she 'believed'. She said she thought she saw would COULD have been a gun, but I think this is what you meant right?

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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 01:09:PM »
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The sighting of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, by WPC Julia Jeapes, was spotted at the very same bedroom window, at which PS Bews, PC Myal, and Jeremy, had previously spotted the lurking silhouetted figure, soon after their arrival at the scene

Come on Mike, give due credit to the Jeapes observation being what 'could' have been a gun.
Is it your writing style, are are you presenting a 'could' (her words) as a 'was' in your words?


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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 01:20:PM »
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The sighting of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, by WPC Julia Jeapes, was spotted at the very same bedroom window, at which PS Bews, PC Myal, and Jeremy, had previously spotted the lurking silhouetted figure, soon after their arrival at the scene
Hmmm. The window at which the police officers and JB thought they spotted a figure was at the rear of the house,top right hand window,which we now know to be the boys room?

I don't think it's the boys' room. There's a window which appears to be in that box room between the main window and the boys' room, and I think it must have been that one.

I'm sure I saw a photo of that side of the house on here but I can't find it now.

The window to which Jeapes referred was the front bedroom window (master bedroom) - she was observing the 'front' side of the house (the most commonly photographed image you see in news reports)... top left window as you face the building.
For those that don't know, this is a narrow side of the building and can mislead people as to the size of the house. the house was 2.5 times (approx) as 'deep' as it was wide, and tapered towards the back end.

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Re: Reconstruction of events (2)
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 01:30:PM »
Who moved gun from window, onto body, between 7:15am, and 8:30am?

Much later, the police would say they entered the main bedroom and they found the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila, the latter having the Bamber rifle on top of her body - and more interestingly, they would say that there was only one gun found inside that bedroom. This is rather puzzling in view of the fact that WPC Julia Jeapes, reported seeing what she believed to be a rifle leaning up against that bedroom window, earlier...

How could there now only be one gun found in the main bedroom, and it be found on top of Sheila's body, when at 7:15am, it was leaning up against the bedroom window?

How did the rifle get from leaning up against the bedroom window at 7:15am, to being found on top of Sheila's body by 8:30am?

The police version of events does not fit the (now) known facts...

This is what I was saying the other day.  You would think the member of a specialist firearms team, specifically placed on observational duty, in an extremely serious situation still unfolding, would have a certain level of professional competence.  For me personally, I would need to know what else her sighting could have been, if it was not a rifle.  This issue really stands out for me.

Mullion shading / reflection (the verticals at the window) (unlikely but possible).
Curtain creasing (more likely)
irregularity in older glass (less likely)

Remember, from the photo of the gun at the window, the gun barrel (about 2.5cm wide) was only about 9 inches higher than the window sill... (and we all know how rarely women see 9 inches!).
The main section of the gun would be about 1.5 inches higher than the sill, but not possible to see from the angle she was at... remember she was 12 ft lower than the window looking up into it, so the angle obscures a lot. From 40 yards back too... where she was positioned.

If she used her sight (assuming she had one) it would not change her viewing angle, only her zoom level.

In the end, she never said she was certain, she said she 'thought' it might be.
BUT she thought enough of it to make the comment, and didn't say "I thought I say something.... she was clear enough to say gun".

She makes no mention of asking for confirmation from a second officer a few feet away from her, which one MIGHT reasonably be expected to do...
e.g. "I think I can see a gun... take a look, see what you think".

Wouldn't YOU want to take such a measure if your colleagues were going into a house with a potential gunman/woman?